maybe born-ins are, because we converts made the choice whereas the born-ins did not.
or are the converts more likely to because of thought patterns developed outside the cult?
i'd like to know what you think..
While it may be easier for converts to leave due to existing support network, I would say born-ins are more likely to leave.
Converts actually chose to join, born-ins have the choice made for them and are forced to accept it.
According to the Pew Survey 63% of those raised as a Witness eventually leave after becoming an adult. That's pretty high.
Not saying either is better, but I feel faith is easier to lose if you weren't the one to chose to have it in the first place.
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I like W.A.R.N as well. Classy.
i guess we're persona non grata now.
take a look at what i found on facebook:.
we're firing up the grill again!
I was not a fan of the name but liked the concept and message.
I went to check it out and found a couple updates that really turned me off on the site.
1) " If you view Watchtower as being a positive organization, then of course you will view our name negatively."
Really? That is my only option? Seriously?
2) Looking at Cedar's blog post, signing it off :
John Cedars, President of AAWA
That bothers me. Maybe more than it should.
I am not familiar with all the founding members, but of those that I know draw next to no attention to themselves. They focus their effort on the message. Why is being "president of AAWA" worth noting?
I think I am going to reserve judgement for now, but I am not impressed with it so far.
please sorry for english, i have only been learning for 18 months.
everyone please think about it, and beware of any initiative designed to solve "a community problem".
becasue russel also started his own cult on a similar premise like this , claiming to have all the answers to issues whose solutions seems obscured to the majority in his days, and here we are today, constantly bashing our fingers on the keyboard in a bid to finding comfort from the mess he had put all of us into.
I think the request for a name change is a valid concern unless there are other similar groups (not necessarilly similar in name) for ex-members of other high control organizations.
On the flip side, I know how expensive it is to set up a corporation. The the current advisors must have already laid out personal money to get it started.
I do think think the organization would be taken more seriously if it had a name that was more postive than negative. Rather than highlighting it is "Anti Watchtower" it could be focusing on the positive actions of the groups such as fighting for freedom for ex-members as well as those feeling trapped.
That said, I personally don't have they money to pay for a name change and new website + design.
I thank the members of AAWA for taking this proactive step.
1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.
2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.
so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.
Zechariah 12:10
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. (NIV)
To avoid what seems to be a piercing of Jehovah some of the later Hebrew manuscripts read “look upon him whom they have pierced”, rather than “look upon me whom they have pierced”. At first these late Jewish manuscripts show this in the Keri, or corrected reading in the margin; but eventually in some manuscripts the change was brought up into the body of the text itself. Rotherham’s translation, on the basis of these late manuscripts, offers in a footnote “him” as an acceptable reading in place of “me”. So does the American Standard Version. Some modern translations, such as Moffatt and An American Translation and Revised Standard Version, use “him” instead of “me” in the main body of the text itself. However, the oldest and best Hebrew manuscripts read “me” rather than “him”.
Watchtower August 15, 1953
Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and entreaties, and they will certainly look to the One whom they pierced through, and they will certainly wail over Him as in the wailing over an only [son]; and there will be a bitter lamentation over him as when there is bitter lamentation over the firstborn [son]. (NWT)
just wanted this for my records and for the newbies who don't know .
that rutherford & co never "fulfilled the prophetic" - 3 yrs in prison!.
http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=441:did-j-f-rutherford-lie-about-being-exonerated&catid=27:rutherford&itemid=342.
Wow, that had many details I didn't know before.
Marking this for future use!
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in the last 4 months my eyes have been opened to ttatt, my biggest issue is that the elders have been grooming me to appoint me as an elder.
Tell them that you accept and get excited. Then say you need to calm your nerves a bit and pull out a pack of cigarettes in front of them and head for the door.
Edit: bonus points if you ask the elder if he has a light.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/28/us-secession-idusbre90r15n20130128.
ok, not yet....... but this could be a move in that direction.. things are gonna get weird.. metatron.
Quebec thrives in a minority government. They control a large chunk of of the federal vote.
When there is a minority government, they can make demands to help the government pass legislature. They demand concessions in return for favortism.
Essentially it is holding the rest of Canada hostage which is what embitters many Canadians against Quebec.
As others have pointed out, they could not survive on their own. Frankly, Montreal would vote to stay in Canada and the Native lands would seperate from Quebec. For a province that demands cultural recognition, they have a horrible track record for respecting the native's rights.
The values of Quebec are at complete odds with the rest of Canada. Canada respects all cultures, visitors and nationalities. Quebec respects Quebec. As others have mentioned, visiting Quebec (with the exception of Montreal) is largely a negative experience. You are treated like a second class citizen and riddiculed in many establishments. Most maritimers, when visiting Ontario, will travel through the US just to avoid Quebec.
That is not a rich heritage, that is the attitude of a spoiled brat.
It doesn't make up all of Quebec's population, but hits a sufficient density that it reflects poorly on the province as a whole. I personally think that New Brunswick best represents Canada's French culture. They are mostly a fully bi-lingual province (thus an extremely high density of call centres) Signs are in french and english and the population are just as happy to talk to you in either language as well. They have their own culture, but are Canadians.
Each province has its own unique history and culture, it is the sum that makes Canada. It is a pity that many in Quebec seem to think their culture makes them superior to fellow countrymen and women.
Frankly I really hope they do seperate. Sometimes you don't realize what you have until you lose it.
...is the name of a video i will shortly be uploading to youtube.. but can you guess the identity of the person who coined this unusual phrase?!.
who will be the first jwn poster to guess his or her identity?!.
i can hardly cope with the suspense!!
Anthony Morris is the most anointenly of all the anointed!
i just started reading this book based on the recommendations of members.
it is the best book i have read on the witnesses.. i do become confused about the strands of american protestantism that nurtured the witnesses.
when i was young, i felt that russell miraculously came forward with the first correct interpretatin since apostolic times.
This was the first "apostate" book I had read. I saw a copy of it at a bookstore once and the title stuck with me.
It was absolutely perfect.
I ordered it online and had it delivered to my work. That book was the nail in the coffin for my support of the Watchtower. He did a very good job of explaining the facts, not putting any spin on them, positive or negative.
It is the book that I suggest to people trying to understand the Watchtower without every having been a member.
