Posts by A-Team

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Women aren't suppose to be ministers..says who?

by A-Team in

i've been hearing this from the 7 day advantist, church of christ and jws, and was show 1 cor 14:36 as proof.

but, i decided to read the context of the verse....and it paints a different picture, atleast imo (ps i am not saying that females should be heads of congerations, now that is out of order.

) i'm using the message translation, for clarity.

A-Team

I've been hearing this from the 7 day advantist, Church of Christ and Jws, and was show 1 Cor 14:36 as proof. But, I decided to read the context of the verse....and It paints a different picture, atleast IMO (PS I am not saying that Females should be heads of Congerations, now that is out of order.) I'm using the Message Translation, for clarity. What does 1 Cor 14:26-36 mean to you?

26-33 So here's what I want you to do. When you gather for worship, each one of you be prepared with something that will be useful for all: Sing a hymn, teach a lesson, tell a story, lead a prayer, provide an insight. If prayers are offered in tongues, two or three's the limit, and then only if someone is present who can interpret what you're saying. Otherwise, keep it between God and yourself. And no more than two or three speakers at a meeting, with the rest of you listening and taking it to heart. Take your turn, no one person taking over. Then each speaker gets a chance to say something special from God, and you all learn from each other. If you choose to speak, you're also responsible for how and when you speak. When we worship the right way, God doesn't stir us up into confusion; he brings us into harmony. This goes for all the churches—no exceptions.

34-36 Wives must not disrupt worship, talking when they should be listening, asking questions that could more appropriately be asked of their husbands at home. God's Book of the law guides our manners and customs here. Wives have no license to use the time of worship for unwarranted speaking. Do you—both women and men—imagine that you're a sacred oracle determining what's right and wrong? Do you think everything revolves around you?

Now, if women wern't suppose to be ministers, then all of this wouldn't be true..

Exodus 15:20: Miriam, the sister of Aaron was a prophetess and one of the triad of leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt.

Judges 4 & 5: Deborah, a prophet-judge, headed the army of ancient Israel.

2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chronicles 34:22 Huldah, a prophet, verified the authenticity of the "Book of the Law of the Lord given through Moses." She triggered a religious renewal.

Acts 9:36 The author of Luke referred to a female disciple by her Aramaic name Tabitha, who was also known by her Greek name Dorcas. She became sick had died; Peter brought her back to life.

Acts 21:8: Philip the evangelist had four unmarried daughters who were prophets.

Philippians 4:2: Paul refers to two women, Euodia and Syntyche, as coworkers who were active evangelicals, spreading the gospel.

Romans 16:1: Paul refers to Phoebe as a minister (diakonos) of the church at Cenchrea. Some translations say deaconess; others try to obscure her position by mistranslating it as "servant" or "helper".

Romans 16:3: Paul refers to Priscilla as another of his "fellow workers in Christ Jesus" (NIV) Other translations refer to her as a "co-worker". But other translations attempt to downgrade her status by calling her a "helper". The original Greek word is "synergoi", which literally means "fellow worker" or "colleague." (7)

Romans 16:7: Paul refers to a male apostle, Andronicus, and a female apostle, Junia, as "outstanding among the apostles" (NIV) The Amplified Bible translates this passage as "They are men held in high esteem among the apostles" The Revised Standard Version shows it as "they are men of note among the apostles". The reference to them both being men does not appear in the original Greek text. The word "men" was simply inserted by the translators, apparently because the translators' minds recoiled from the concept of a female apostle. Many translations, including the Amplified Bible, Rheims New Testament, New American Standard Bible, and the New International Version simply picked the letter "s" out of thin air, and converted the original "Junia" (a woman) into "Junias" (a man).

We all know that scripture works with one another......so how do we interpit the females role inside the Ministry?

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I got finish listening to some Kingdom Songs for the 1st time i my life...

by A-Team in

...and i hate to speak ill at songs that praise him, but those songs have made my ears bleed.

and tehy say they don't want people with talent.

::rolls eyes:: .

A-Team

...and I hate to speak ill at songs that praise him, but those songs have made my ears bleed. And tehy say they don't want people with talent. ::rolls eyes::

From anyone who comes from listening to songs like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_AdYnFY_bZ0 (this might be too radical for some, listen at your own risk)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pKIDMExdyZY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pDujVlPjTPc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ODmHMKfD_iY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DA-Als2EIxA

to this....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y-vXlqe3-Sg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a7KFcK7aHGs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eDsM0DtB7cA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SzdvP6N52zw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSAgLbF7sUk

It makes one think, why is the passion lacking in these songs in the Kingdom Hall.

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What the WT Mag says you need to belive if you want to become a JW.

by A-Team in

8/22/86, questions from readers excerpt.

*** approved association with jehovah's witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the bible, including those scriptural beliefs that are unique to jehovah's witnesses.

what do such beliefs include?

A-Team

8/22/86, Questions from Readers excerpt.

*** Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?***

That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah's sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17)

That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28)

That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47)

That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ's foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15-12:10)

That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3)

That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21)

That it will be followed by Christ's Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."-John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

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Lurkers, I have a legit question, that is mind boggling to me.

by A-Team in

#1, 1 cor 10:9. the nwt translation puts the word jehovah in place for christ.

yet, when using the kit greek,my greek, and a online greek bible, christos is written in the chapter, and not jehovah....yet many jws will argue up and down that jehovah is to be there....dispite the fact that the greek word for jehovah was never even used.

how can one logically argue that christ is not suppose to be there, when their won greek translation has it in there??

A-Team

Well 2.
#1, 1 Cor 10:9. The NWT translation puts the word Jehovah in place for Christ. Yet, when using the KIT Greek,my Greek, and a Online Greek Bible, Christos is written in the Chapter, and not Jehovah....yet many JWs will argue up and down that Jehovah is to be there....dispite the fact that the Greek Word for Jehovah was never even used. How can one LOGICALLY argue that Christ is not suppose to be there, when their won Greek translation has it in there??
And #2, Does the WT have their own butchered definitions of words? Here is the Hebrew definition of the word God.
1. (plural)
1. rulers, judges
2. divine ones
3. angels
4. gods
2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
1. god, goddess
2. godlike one
3. works or special possessions of God
4. the (true) God
5. God
Here is The Hebrew Definition of the word Jehovah:
Jehovah = "the existing One"
1. the proper name of the one true God
1. unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
And here is what God means in the Greek; (Keeping in mind that the word Jehovah dosen't appear in the Greek)
1. a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2. the Godhead, trinity
1. God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2. Christ, the second person of the trinity
3. Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3. spoken of the only and true God
1. refers to the things of God
2. his counsels, interests, things due to him
4. whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
1. God's representative or viceregent
1. of magistrates and judges

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Why did you leave the org?

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were you dfed, did you find out some lies about the org?.

what was the last straw?

A-Team

Were you DFed, did you find out some lies about the org?. What was the last straw?

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607 to 1914 calculation question

by bluebell in

is there any culture that actually used years of 360 days length?

if so, surely there would still be some kind of leap year to correct the calendar, why is that not taken into account?

i'd never thought about it when i was a dub because you're not supposed to think!

A-Team

The 1st Solar calender wasn't used until 45 BC, and even then, they were still making corrections.

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...what was your 1st expirence like inside of a church?

by A-Team in

were you still a jw, or did you just leave?

what did you expect from a church, was it like you thought, etc.

what happened afterwards, especially if you were still a jw.

A-Team

Were you still a JW, or did you just leave?

What did you expect from a Church, was it like you thought, etc.

What happened afterwards, especially if you were still a JW.

I was never a JW, so I would like to hear everyones experiences on this subject.

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What would happen if all of the "annnointed Ones" die before Jesus returns?

by A-Team in

.....this is a hypothetical.

most of us know that they will change doctrine in order to keep this going.

but, if somehow the doctrine isn't changed, and there are no more 'anointed ones' left in the org....and if jesus hasn't returned yet...what happens then?

A-Team

Bloondie...so please ask this...how on earth do they ignore the scriptures in Rev: 7 that states that the 144K Are Jewish, and teh Scriptures Rev. 14:4 that states they are Male (don't defile themselves with women) virgins?

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What would happen if all of the "annnointed Ones" die before Jesus returns?

by A-Team in

.....this is a hypothetical.

most of us know that they will change doctrine in order to keep this going.

but, if somehow the doctrine isn't changed, and there are no more 'anointed ones' left in the org....and if jesus hasn't returned yet...what happens then?

A-Team

.....This is a hypothetical. Most of us know that they will change doctrine in order to keep this going. But, if somehow the doctrine isn't changed, and there are no more 'anointed ones' left in the org....and if Jesus hasn't returned yet...what happens then?

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Is Sallvation a gift or by works? (An explination)

by A-Team in

this is for the jw lurkers out there.

now, lets look at how the word salvation is used in the bible.

we see that the word gift is used when the bible describes how one obtains salvation, but the word earned is never used.

A-Team

This is for the JW lurkers out there.

1st off, lets look at the word Gift :

1. something given voluntarily without payment in return, as to show favor toward someone, honor an occasion, or make a gesture of assistance; present.
2. the act of giving.
3. something bestowed or acquired without any particular effort by the recipient or without its being earned: Those extra points he got in the game were a total gift.
4. a special ability or capacity; natural endowment; talent: the gift of saying the right thing at the right time.
–verb (used with object)
5. to present with as a gift; bestow gifts upon; endow with.
6. to present (someone) with a gift: just the thing to gift the newlyweds.

Now lets look at the word earned:

1. To gain especially for the performance of service, labor, or work: earned money by mowing lawns.
2. To acquire or deserve as a result of effort or action: She earned a reputation as a hard worker.
3. To yield as return or profit: a savings account that earns interest on deposited funds.

Now, lets look at how the word Salvation is used in the Bible. We see that the word Gift is used when the Bible describes how one obtains Salvation, but the word Earned is never used. So by the Bible, Salvation is something bestowed or acquired without any particular effort by the recipient or without its being earned.

Hopefully this will help anyone out who wonders why most non JWS think Salvation is a free gift.