Posts by humbled

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This blew me away"The distant between Egypt and the promise land"

by jam in

i was reading a article about a national acclaim charles lummis for.

his poetry.

in 1884, while working at a newspaper in ohio, he was offered.

humbled

That is the way I have seen a story grow, too.

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Theists - Why does Morality require the existence of God?

by cantleave in

"without god in your life, you cannot have a moral compass",,,, please explain to me why you think that should be so?

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Not that I would hazard to say much here, but when I've had discussion of moral good or evil that has bogged down in finding a common starting point/idea, I start with this proposition: can we not agree that avoidance of pain is a thing that all creatures understand.

It is so universal that we hardly disagree about to how cause it for another creature. Buying a gift that is certain to please for a familiar someone is a far more difficult proposition. But pain--I don't have to have any details about you to figure out how to hurt you. I can hurt a total stranger--easily.

Small wonder that the Golden Rule is appreciated as principal of good conduct far beyond Christianity.

I may be off topic--this discussion is far over my head. Just my two penny's worth.

Maeve

p.s. thank you FH for clearing up that thing on theists.

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According to Hebrews 3:1-6;10:19-22 Jesus is the faithful slave, as the great high priest

by wannabe in

humbled

CS,

I tend to hold with your thought here. It seems that we each hold the responsibility be a faithful servant, vigilant and patient.

Maeve

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

humbled

I love your dad

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I just informed the parents about me and the TTATT... heart wrenching

by sosoconfused in

well first i want to thank everyone here for the good points etc... i have received over the last few months.

you guys have really been helpful!.

so the other day my mother wrote me a 3 page letter telling me how she was so scared for me because she could tell my love for the truth was gone etc.. so i decided i wanted to totally rip the band-aid off and get this matter over and done with.

humbled

I'm glad you got it out there. I'm glad your dad can see at least the "mediator" thing is wrong. I'm glad he isn't going to ditch you over this. And maybe your mom can soften..

It shouldn't be like this but it's great that you can be real now.

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Scripturally-Speaking, Do You Think First Century Christians Were Taught To "Hate" All Apostates???

by bjc2read in

here are some searching questions about the governing body's public position on the prescribed treatment of all "apostates" against the organization, as taught at the most recent summer assemblies of jehovah's witnesses, in the year of 2013.. in your opinion, why does not the verse (shown below) not apply to how jehovah's witnesses are currently taught to feel about "apostates," and their activities toward the organization?

the verses in question, are from the words of jesus who clearly said:.

"however, i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you that you may prove yourselves sons of your father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.

humbled

Thanks for the scripture, Vidqun. In the last two verses is the axis for my response-- the "authority" of Paul is to what extent?

The teaching authority, translated here as the "building up"(--not that I am saying there is one translation prefered--)the Lord gave Paul, how much of that authority is what we might call "moral authority"-- leaning toward a take-it-or-leave-it-but-you-have-good-reason-to-take-it style of teaching or a thing called "epistemic authority" meaning my-way-or-the-highway.

Paul, if we lay aside our conditioning that he is a small Jesus of the early Christians-an early version of the GB, may be seen as laying an appeal before the Corinthians. The conversations WERE lively. There were different Jesus talkers around--remember, there were way more than twelve DISCIPLES. Let us not cast such faithful followers as Mary Magdalene into the outer darkness at this time of evangelizing.

Perhaps weeping was a powerful a tool as any for ones who left the gatherings or truly spoke badly. The appeal to love and peace Paul gives at the end is not something I got from the brothers when I was leaving.

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

humbled

Eden,

Thanks for the list of translations. It looks like Tischendorf should win out for having the oldest text.

I took awhile to figure out what was up with the variety of translations.(It can be a drag to sort this stuff out because I am not a Greek scholar) There turned out that different Greek texts were used for the old KJV(from which James Strong created the Concordance) and for subsequent translations after Tischendorf found an older text.

The old KJV didn't have the same Greek reading from the Textus Receptus as the codex Siniaticus for the yet. The KJV put yet in both places It seems that the Tischendorf should get the vote on the one yet since that is the oldest NT copy we know of--so far.

So here we are--again. Did Jesus lie or did he just change his mind?

Is there a good way to know?

I lean toward cutting Jesus whatever slack he needs because all we ever have is hearsay. The trouble always with Jesus, right? But, he seems to have been fairly straight up in other ways. On the other hand, if he had changed his mind, is that wrong?

Maeve

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What you were TOLD vs. what Jesus SAID: getting SAVED

by humbled in

could jesus have shown us the way to healing, preservation, wholeness but we turned ministry his into a theological nightmare?.

just wondering if punkofnice and my family will be bonding in hell together 'cause they aren't "saved".. and wondering if i really am an apostate..

humbled

When I read these posts I am not afraid of life without big "C" church .

The unity comes along without force. Fear goes away, too.

I

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

humbled

I agree with sd-7 about Jesus saying "I'm not going yet..."

"Yet" is used twice in the scripture cited and it is not one of those words that was kinda implied but not written in the Greek. There was a Greek word used that qualified what he said.

If he was being really sneaky he should have dropped the "yet".

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Scripturally-Speaking, Do You Think First Century Christians Were Taught To "Hate" All Apostates???

by bjc2read in

here are some searching questions about the governing body's public position on the prescribed treatment of all "apostates" against the organization, as taught at the most recent summer assemblies of jehovah's witnesses, in the year of 2013.. in your opinion, why does not the verse (shown below) not apply to how jehovah's witnesses are currently taught to feel about "apostates," and their activities toward the organization?

the verses in question, are from the words of jesus who clearly said:.

"however, i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you that you may prove yourselves sons of your father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.

humbled

I love your synopsis, jgnat.

Maeve