hey, im bohms girlfriend.
i thought i was feeling better... i quitted the anti depressant a year ago - but now ive started again.
i know the jw isnt the truth- but i feel so very lonely.
Hi, GF
I'm an xJW mom. 61 years old. One of my sons was baptised--He is out now and counseling has been a VERY good thing for him. Go if you can. It is hard to get oriented in life if you have never known anything but the KH community. GIVE YOURSELF TIME. and fill it with some quiet--but also with new or old interests.
Lots of us have been in something similar to your situation.. There is a life, a good one, waiting for you to make it happen.
Maeve
raymond franz introduces a declaration made by uncle fred:.
still later in 1979, in fact on november 17, the day after i left .
on a "zone" trip to west africa, fred franz, now the society's .
Thanks, Coco.
It is tough to look reality in the face. But once done, it is never so scarey again.
I know there were great souls who were caught or born-in the WTBTS and continued to be kind and caring individuals in spite of the lies the Organization propagated. But what is false is false and it is right to call it what it is.
Maeve
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if your sister and brother died of cancer and now your body is starting to show all the effects of the disease, would you want to know even if it might mean a death-sentence?.
my dad, sister, brother and now mom will die from this ugly disease, all of them had aggressive forms of stomach cancer, my mother's battliing it has me putting my health on the back burner because i am very obstinate and hate doctors, why should i go see a doctor if the last four people i loved all died of cancer once they got their dx?.
Yep--go to a doctor. On Feb. 23 last year I was diagnosed with anal canal cancer after having symptoms.
I went through treatment and so far it looks like I am clear of it.
Go. To. A. Doctor.
and stay in touch!
Maeve
i received an email from a jw that got married, but the wife never had sex with him.
they were together for a period of years.
he told the elders, but they said there was nothing that could be done.
In 1982 we lived in North Platte, Nebraska. I was still a Catholic. Trying to to get "right" with the Catholic Church meant my husband had to get an annulment for his previous marriage because, tho he wasn't a RC, his wife had been and they were married in the RCChurch.
Papers and a fee were required to put the matter through the Marriage Tribunal.
We didn't go that route--but that's neither here nor there in this conversation.
But this is:
The RCC assumes something that WTBT society does not. Catholic marriage ASSUMES sexual intercourse as integral to marriage before God. The denial of or the inability to have intercourse is liable in itself to give cause for annulment.
"Go forth and multiply" is part of the divine mandate in Catholic marriage. Shutting down the natural avenue for reproduction is not allowed.
Witnesses often marry with the express plan not to have children. No Catholic true-blue priest would bless such a union--but they would break one.
i recently became aware of the new light.
please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?
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Billy,
Soon after I left the Witnesses after 22 years with them, a young man tried to show me a way of understanding the future using a number system to derive information from the Bible.
Can you imagine the problem he had before him? There are how many translations of the bible anyway?
And this: I told him it was INCONCEIVABLE that Jesus' Good News relied on math tables that only a few good men had received from God.
I had been there and done that. Was done with that.
Why aren't the simple teachings of Jesus enough for you now?
Think about how the JWs screw us up.
song about being shunned.. .
source : http://firstcorthirteenfour.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/in-memory-of-nancy-mork/.
bangalore.
It makes me feel so sad. I was a Witness and I objected to shunning. But it wasn't until my own daughter left that I knew it was wrong. I did not shun her. I did not shun my son when he left.
Then it took me 13 years more before I was out myself and shunned by everyone.
Not to hear from your children because you had left that evil Organization. That is heartreaking.
I wish we knew how that story ended, Bangalore.
even when i was dyed-in-the-wool j-dub, i felt the armageddon teaching was one of the most morbid concepts to be hammered into the psyches of jws.
think about it, only jws would survive this catastrophe, which translates to roughly .001 percent of the population would survive while everyone else would die a horrible death.
that includes people who do good things and are good people, but are just not jws.
Absolutely depressing and for those it failed to depress it brought out a covetous quality you spoke of--"I pick that house when those folks die!"
The elder who told my oldest son that his non-JW dad would die in the Big "A" miscalculated. My then 12-year-old hated all the JW stuff that I brought into the house.
Good son. But you bet it hurt him. I was his Mom and there was his Dad--What was up with that?
i was thinking about this lately.
also there was a comment made by an elder recently, saying that jehovah(tm) would kill elders who apostasized by not waiting for the "slave" to get things right.
how would you approach with an uber-dub?.
When the elders were working on me to get my thinking "right" and not lose out on "life", the idea was presented of me following a wrong course that could set me out of the organization.
I told them I was more fearful of being a coward or one without faith than sticking with a miserable conscience that told me not to knuckle under.
I didn't even think god would judge me badly for being WRONG as for being a cowardly, faithless person. --Rev. 21:8
So, no, I do NOT believe God will kill apostates.
Even now, though I don't believe Jehovah exists, I would not be afraid to be found wrong. I have valued the good things that Jesus taught.
Will that God hold me to account for not sorting through all the theological trash thrown at an uneducated person? (for crying out loud--WHO CAN READ ENOUGH AND STUDY LONG ENOUGH to be "educated' in all the Bible stuff there is????)
Well, if he does want to kill me,fine. I wouldn't want to hang around in his world anyway.
Maeve
hello friends, .
i would like some advice from those that are inpartial, and are familiar with the teachings of jw.
i studied with a wonderful jw couple weekly for 3 years.
Personal bible reading is a complete waste of time for a JW--ADCMS
I learned that. But I asked a circuit overseer(a JW "bishop") if I should stop personal Bible reading in view of the futility of finding a variation of understanding from the literature. Will Gorham, bless him, told me I should keep reading.
Incidentally, Bro. Gorham was raised Catholic...And a lot of us on here have noticed that he and his wife are gone, gone, gone now without a trace.
My theory? He knew what a Pope was and didn't like 8 popes any better and perhaps he made the same mistake he advised me to make--read and study the Bible on your own.
last week's service meeting had brought out the experience in the 2013 yb about sharing their lunch with someone in the audience, who didn'y have anything.
although i beleive this to be a good idea, but, i couldn't help but think how things had changed.
the society wasn't playing by that same principle of hospitality, when they had the food arrangement at the assemblies.
I remember getting some of the "extra" lunches so we could eat an evening meal. Those days I worked corn detassling during the summers in Iowa to pay for convention expenses.
It was a big expense for poor families to go. We budgeted to tip the motel maids.
Edit: the last convention I attended my only baptised son(22 yo) drove down with me and my youngest (unbaptised) daughter (16yo). It was in Oklahoma City as I recall. We met a homeless woman begging for food and ended taking her to our hotl room because we didn't have money but we had food for sanwiches. She had questions about the JWs. She was from Louisiana. She alept in one bed, snored alot, son slept on floor. Daughter slept w/ me. She went to the sunday program with us and came back to Fayetteville, Arkansas with us. Stayed with us in a ramshackle cabin til we got a bus ticket bought from her momma in Louisiana. Meanwhile went to a couple meetings with us. She was not impressed. But She was a hoot--we shopped for a dress of her choosing at a thrift store where we shopped. The friends were not warm towards her. I know all the stuff that can be said about homeless people...blah, blah ... I am just saying there wasn't as much love for the needy as there should have been. WAY TOO CAREFUL to be warm.
