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  I know why you are here.

  by compound complex in

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  greetings, friends:.

  wishing you well today.

  below is a story that came to mind as i lay awake, contemplating the new day.

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  humbled

  A gentle going into "that good night".... We hope for so kindly a passing!

  Good morning, Coco.

  Maeve
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  Pete Seeger, the great peace activist and folk singer, has passed

  by designs in

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  pete seeger wrote songs that became the heart and soul of the civil rights movement- where have all the flowers gone, if i had a hammer, turn turn turn, waist depp in the big muddy, we shall overcome.... we traveled to the newport folk festival, which pete helped establish, and got to sing with the great man himself.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2siieqy34.

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  Hell, yes, designs.^^^^^^

  Those songs pulled at my heart as a 12 year old in a conservative world. They reached my heart planting their simple poetry and love of LIFE in me.
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  I feel sorry for the R.Catholic's that got hoodwinked by the J.W.watchtower cult

  by bobld in

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  they are now apostates in the eyes of the church.they are ostracized by family and friends.they have lost the privilege of confessing their sins to a priest and the blessed sacrament of the holy eucharist.just imagine and 18 yr old getting the boot from the parents to leave home.. now,the brainwashed cult member has the audacity to tell family and friends(if allowed) that the r.c.c.

  lied to him/her and said that they could not read and understand the bible w/o the help of the priest.heaven forbid,if they read the publications of the watchtower,the faithful slave(gb) tells j.w.

  that they cannot read the bible on their own and understand it w/o the help of the slave.it is in one ear and out the other.. r.c.c would not ostracize their members..

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  Not enough difference between them in the end. Transubstantiation. the Immaculate Conception of Mary(that is SHE is immaculately conceived--not Jesus)and various other things that have involved flip-flops for which burning at the stake was the remedy--How about the "filioque", the mish-mash of teachings on contraception ,unmarried priests. Galileo.

  I loved a lot about catholicism from my childhood.

  Stories of St. Francis, incense, the spooky-cool statues.

  And they could kill each other. My dad's gun crew dug in near a German town in WWII and dad said it was great--the RRChurch was the same al over the world, he told me--he went to mass in a town where the men had gone to war against his countrymen.

  cool--the same church for all.

  Messed up.The JWs don't get to follow Jesus and the Catholics are f#@ked up about it too. They follow the leader--and I don't mean Jesus.

  Religion constipates faith.
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  The relationship between the Father and Son. What's your opinion?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am curious about this.

  ever since i realized that there is no proof that jesus=michael the archangel, i wondered about who jesus was.

  that's how i think of the father and the son, or the word.

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  humbled

  Words reflect our earthy experience--we invent words. That's why we are stuck with anthropomorphic terms to refer to god.

  If there were god there is no true, clear way to talk to each other nor understand truly, clearly what we are describing.

  Some Jesus writings refer to the "All" or the "Good" when speaking of God. How to describe the relationship? I can't say.

  Good OP

  Maeve
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  HANDLING CHEMOTHERAPY - Advice anyone?

  by hamsterbait in

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  i have just been diagnosed with colorectal cancer (tuesday).. the consultant told me i am to get a scan to see how far it has spread.. i am going to have surgery to remove it, then chemotherapy with a break in the middle.. strange to say i am more terrified of dying under the anesthetic than anything.

  but i have a fear of nausea and vomiting, which chemo caused in all my relatives who have had it.. any advice for coping with this?.

  hb.

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  Hello, hamsterbait,

  Sorry you have to deal with cancer. I have nothing as comprehensive to advise as cofty laid out. My cancer was not in the same class as colo-rectal. Mine was anal canal, a squamous cell cancer. The chemo drug was called 5FU (fluorouricil) which I fondly referred to as fu**you5.

  On the use of pot: Nausea was a problem.They gave me drugs for it . A fine young fellow (xJW)kindly brought me some high quality pot that I preferred for the nausea, though I didn't often use it. My nurse practicioner inquired on my drug regimin warned that if I used pot and didn't know if it was pure,clean(as in the regulated medical marijuana) to not use it.

  I drank a lot of water and took probiotic suppliments.I frankly had trouble eating--I usually have a hearty appetite. It wasn't until after my 6 weeks of radiation/chemo (no surgery) that my appetite came back.

  Go for it, Ham. This may sound bizarre, but use the time to pull the loves of your life close, really close and revel in it. That is the good part.

  Maeve
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  The Truth is Always Simple to Grasp.

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like to share my understanding of armageddon & the end of the 1,000 year reign.

  i would really appreciate any criticism, or facts that dispute this understanding... especially if the facts are from the bible.. - adam & eve were perfect and they sinned with a perfect mind & body.. - all mankind that has lived since adam & eve have been imperfect, none have had the ability to resist sin, nor have they had the ability to see or understant absolute truth that can only originate from god.. - if imperfect humans were judged, while still imperfect, one could reason that adam & eve had been given a better chance at life then what the rest of humanity was given.. - 1 john 4:8,9.

  - 1 timothy 2:6. armageddon.

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  Objectivetruth,

  Read the so-called gnostic gospels. They are short. Ask yourself why they are heresies. ask yourself why the teachings of Jesus took a second place to having to believe a resurrection saves.

  I have other readings but this is pertinent--for me.

  Sorry, gotta go--look forward to your comments.
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  The Truth is Always Simple to Grasp.

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like to share my understanding of armageddon & the end of the 1,000 year reign.

  i would really appreciate any criticism, or facts that dispute this understanding... especially if the facts are from the bible.. - adam & eve were perfect and they sinned with a perfect mind & body.. - all mankind that has lived since adam & eve have been imperfect, none have had the ability to resist sin, nor have they had the ability to see or understant absolute truth that can only originate from god.. - if imperfect humans were judged, while still imperfect, one could reason that adam & eve had been given a better chance at life then what the rest of humanity was given.. - 1 john 4:8,9.

  - 1 timothy 2:6. armageddon.

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  humbled

  You have a very limited pool of facts to draw from in the bible--That is if we share the same definition of the word "fact".

  What "fact" can you present that Armageddon and the 1,000 year reign are even from Jesus or his Father? Without any facts to support this subject---what does it matter about other bible "facts"?

  Objectivetruth, when some of us left the JWs we often learned of the distortion and lies of religion. We are wary of accepting cock-and-bull stories. Also the long accretions of control that becomes imbedded in the "so-called knowledge" of men--Oh, not just men--HOLY men makes your "simple" understanding sound like just another chaotic theological puzzle. The problem with these puzzles is there get to be only claims from a select few to interpret them properly.

  Show me facts first.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  humbled

  very good, sir.

  pm sent,

  Maeve
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  humbled

  Flame,

  You sense there is more than meets the eye about god questions--I sympathize.

  For me and theology-- it has to be simpler than much of what I have heard in church. The knowledge about "getting saved" from misery and from being a bad person has to have a simpler, better way of getting out to us.

  Death isn't the worst. But confusion, misery and pain suck.

  See we don't get to pick out how death goes. And myself and most the people I live around--hey, they don't have time to fret about who god is or if he is: they have to get ON WITH IT.

  Years back I saw a documentary about forest pygmies of Africa. They knew they were going to hell(yes HELL)because they killed and ate the forest elephants. But that is all they could do to live. they were caught in LIFE.

  I feel like that too.Caught in life. I have to grab what I can from what I think, what i can read, from places like this and run with it.

  At the end of this day, I figure god is love and love is god. If there IS a loving god he would understand how it is to be puzzled at so much suffering on the earth--and why I can't believe in Him if Christian Theism is right.

  As Apog has suggested, certainty is pressed upon us. But standing in btween is a place some find themselves (Hello,Kate, Jgnat et al) --and I think it isn't the result of being DIS-honest. It is because we honestly don't KNOW any better.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Flamegrilled--

  We used to have milk goats--and we ate them, too.(SORRY!)

  We had ultimate power over them. We had more affection for them than the bible/christian God does for his children on earth.

  It conflicted US that we named them and butchered them. But to cause them suffering--Hell no.

  Is this a flawed relationship with other creatures--no doubt!--But to cause terror and suffering to them--NO.

  I nursed with my own breast a newborn goat when there were no nannies "fresh" to keep her from starving. again--why? if only to hold a knife over her later....But I couldn't see her starve, suffer.

  god can do better than this, can't he?