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  "It was Jehovah leading me..."

  by Fleshybirdfodder in

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  my best friend and his wife had hired an elder to do some refinishing work in their basement.

  they kept their tv and vhs tapes (pre dvd era) down there.

  it seems dear brother was a bit of a nosy fella, so he just happened to pop in one of their home movies of a trip they had taken to cuba and found some footage of my friend smoking a cigar.

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  I hope they didnt pay him for the work.......................
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  Ridiculous teenager counselled at Assembly.

  by Duncan in

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  the ridiculous teenager is me.

  this story takes me back to 1969, when i was 15 years old.

  we were attending the international assembly at wembley stadium, near london, the only time, i think, that wembley was ever used for an assembly.. if youve ever read any of the stories i posted on jwd over the years, youll know that i was never one of those kids growing up in the truth who always had doubts about it or was unhappy and miserable with the religion, just waiting for the chance to get out.

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  We never got counselled for this, but the songbook post reminded me of when one of my brothers and me were kids at the kingdom hall (and I mean we were kids, that found even the most trivial things amusing). Anyway my brother would change the lyrics to the kingdom melodies. So every one else would be singing the words and he would be singing things like "Donald duck, did some muck on the kitchen floor, Daisy duck licked it up, so Donald did some more". Utterly childish I know, but we were kids and I would be beside myself trying not to laugh. Needless to say neither of us are JWs today.

  Fi
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  Do you recall your "point of no return"?

  by JH in

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  was there something special that happened, an event or maybe a deception, that triggered your point of no return as a jw.. .

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  Mindless fallouts between elders within the congregation, where they literally didnt talk to each other for months. Didnt sit right with the teaching about knowing Gods people by the love they have amongst themselves.

  Being aware of severe nepitism within the congregation and be told 'not to worry my pretty little head about it'.

  Realising that this is what I had been given from birth and that didnt actually make it right...........................

  Oh and finally committing adultery.............that was a bit of a 'there's no turning back now' moment for me.

  Fi
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  Ladies....what would YOU do?

  by onlycurious in

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  if your husband said to you,.

  "why don't you kick in your iq and use your brain?!!?

  during an argument finances....one of the worst topics.. .

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  Just save this little gem up for him

  "I cant believe out of 10,000 sperm you were the quickest"

  Fi
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  I think you may have identified the flaw in your own argument.

  You say - How people use religion is justification for the worst sort of disaster to others. The insidious ingredient...with a potential for harmony. It threatens death and often torture (hell). Strips people of their individuality, rational guidance etc.

  In all of the above it it actually man that does this. It was men who wrote religious books, men who stand on their soap boxes spouting out views and interpretations, men who condemn the listener to eternal hell and torture. And it is men that have misused a way of educating, that appeals to a wide spectrum of humans. Is it wrong to teach 'Do unto others as you would have done to yourself' or 'Love thy neighbour' or 'Look to the ant you lazy one'.

  And, again, it is men that in the field of science who have sometimes got things wrong; have created disasters because they thought they were right.

  A person has a right to believe in a superior being. A person has a right to have faith or hope. It is up to them if they hope that a cure for cancer is found or if they hope they go somewhere nice when they die.

  It is not about subject matters, Science v Religion, and which wins. Both could and should have a purpose. It is about the human beings who enter either field, and what they do with the gifts and tools they have.
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  Terry

  The problem I have with your argument style is that you generalize when it suits you, but then switch to a narrow precise reasoning to force home your point and in doing so you miss out the middle section/the grey areas.

  For example this thread starts with the generalization of science v religion who won. And you quite rightly argue for science and all the benefits its has brought to man. And again quite rightly you argue that historically religion has not benefited man in the same way, and emphasise its sometimes draconian nature.

  You then go on to state that religion has no power, but then go on to list terrible atrocities which have been committed in the name of religion. I would have to argue then that one must concede that religion must reasonably be accepted as having power over people. I actually called it a powerful tool. One which you could argue could bring great benefit to mankind if used in an ennobling way. Yes history has taught us that this has not always been the case but in your own words "Personal responsibility is paramount to the consequence of the misuse".

  You know there are countless people with whom you could sit down, that would tell you the benefits they feel personally from belonging to a 'religion' or having a belief in God. Those benefits on a personal level may vary from, feeling part of a community, having a sense of where they are going, giving them some moral direction, giving them hope....the list could be endless. We as exjws all know how a person who has a faith can find a benefit in it and in the words of my favourite again, they could reason "As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it".

  In a previous post of yours you listed reasons why it is unlikely that we are born into the best set of circumstances; and for many that is true. They have dire upbringings, some without education, moral training, love, encouragement or even the basic needs of a person. Science is not able to remedy all of these problems. Science does not teach us how to show love, compassion, why stealing is wrong, to care for the elderly or infirm, to be tolerant of others race and culture, or how to turn a life that is being led on a slippery slope round to one that is successful, fruitful and happy. Some people are born without the right tools for life and where is there to go learn them.

  I put it to you that were religious organisations put to good use, for some they could fill that gap. Jesus was all about teaching human beings how to treat each other and themselves. It is man that has misused that guidance.

  I know you will argue that religion, its teachings and belief in God is what has failed and is not proven. And in many ways you are right. That does not mean religion couldnt bring benefit to mankind. And if someone wants to believe that there is a greater being, to whom they are answerable, to whom they can pray for help and guidance in their times of need, then they should not be judged unfavourably for doing so. I will not be taking that comfort away from them, life is hard enough as it is. And ultimately, no one knows the answers.

  And just for the record I have no religious beliefs.....................
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  You say - The failure of science is what?

  My response - I did not say that science had failed but I can give you a list of some of the failures of science

  Smoking

  Asbestos

  Flat Earth

  Piltdown Man

  Thalidomide

  Alchemy

  Authenticated Hitler diaries exposed as hoax

  Cold Fusion

  Lead

  Water fluoridation
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  I really must learn to copy and paste or download the necessary tools

  You said - The data & technology produced by theists or deists or even atheists is not because of their view for & against religion.

  My response - Where did they say that?
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  Ok now I am briefly interrupting ' A Life less Ordinary'.............

  You say - Politicians & power brokers come to power by getting people alarmed over some - cause, are you saying scientists are not concerned over Global warming and the effects man is having on the Ozone.
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  For starters as I am about to eat.........

  Your response - Religion provides no relief opportunity at all for poverty

  Reply - Have you heard of the Salvation Army

  Your response - An airliner is hardly a weapon of science.

  Reply - I didnt mention airliners. But do you consider bombs, guns etc to be necessary things invented by man for our luxury world?

  And in response to your comments on Global warming, do you dispute that the style of our everyday luxury lives is impacting on the Ozone and global warming? There is a £14 million prize up for grabs for the scientist who discovers how to take Carbon dioxide and other pollutants out of the atmosphere to balance the effect of what we are putting into it.

  See you later