why care about spiritual things?
i see most of all of you speak in different opinions of what is or may be true spiritual things (while a few ar just freezing cold or dead spiritualy), but i ask all of you, why even bother to care or pretend to care of spiritual things?.
-aleman.
Aleman
I have 2 answers to your questions
Firstly there are a lot of people who use this board whobelieve in God, are religious and as a result are concerned with things spiritual as per your description of that word.
Secondly there are some who are concerned for others who have a mistaken spiritual view which can result in harm to them and their families.
Fi
nearly a year since she won uk x factor.......and we have heard little from her......until now.
this is no1 in the uk..........how fabulously brilliant is she..... for all those that haveny heard it i give you.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf84pihp5um.
Nearly a year since she won UK X factor.......and we have heard little from her......until now
This is no1 in the UK..........how fabulously brilliant is she....
For all those that haveny heard it I give you
watch this, you lint licker!.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejjugjzxpu.
Cool advert
we are great friends now....but he wasn't much of a father growing up.. worked all the time...we went on few vacations....pretty much pussy whipped my my nazis jw mother.. he never did believe in the whole jw thing.
he just when along with it, for my mothers sake.. she never did respect him for not being a "spiritual head" and pretty much let us kids know about it.. i, like my mother became very self rightious and judgmental.. i wished now he had just came to me just once and said "keith maybe the jws are not the people you think they are.
" but he was to afraid of my mother to say that...even though he knew it to be true.i would have never believed him....back then....but it would have planted a seed.... .
Ours was a dysfunctional family. My dad was an only child, who had a very hard father. My dad married my mum and had 5 kids with her during the 26 years that there marriage lasted, he himself was hard and difficult and I think cheated on my mum.
After he got the 'troof' he gave up his career training racehorses and concentrated on running a horse stud and farm..........some time later he was convinced to go back to training racehorses and as he didnt gamble he remained a JW. In his younger years he was a jump jockey and so was used to hurling around racecourses at 30-40 mph on a horse, jumping large obstacles.........because of this he broke bones more regularly than most and experienced friends of his dying..........in some ways he was fearless.........but he never wanted his kids to follow in his footsteps.
He was a difficult man who expected his kids to work like adults..........we picked potatoes, mucked out stables, rode mad 2 year old newly broken horses which it was inevitable at some point would put you on the ground, we picked stones off of gallops, wild wheat out of wheat crops, shifted 100's of bales of straw and hay in the summer.......the list goes on.......and after my mum left him when I was 13 I took over running the house and cooking. Neither of may parents ever recognised or encouraged the intelligent, clever kids they had. My dad invented swear words I think........if he lost his temper which was often out would come a torrent of abuse.........yet on Sundays and Tuesday and Thursday nights he polished up into a charming and alluring individual..........he believed the truth and expected his kids to also.....despite the hypocrisy we were seeing.
My dad on occassion hit me for no reason, hit me when I had stitches in my face in the face, and has pinned me up against a door and threatened to shoot us both..........I didnt realise this was abuse until many years later when the resulting effects caught up with me.
My dad was all things......violent and abusive.......charming and loving........heartbroken and sad when my mum eventually left him......and sorry and heartbroken at the end of his life when he had time to reflect on how he had treated us. He died of Motor Neurone disease in 1989.
Whatever he was I loved him.
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mum aged 22 dies for jehovah.... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article427045.ece.
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Faundy
Paralipomenon has posted a thread with a link wo a worldy web site which is discussing this case......if you can be bothered take a look and there you will see what worldly people think of this matter and then compare it to the comments you are reading on threads like these on this site.
Nobody is delighting gleefully or sensationalizing anything on this site...........we all feel sad for this girl and her family........but we are fed up by the bitter waste of life bought about by this organisation.
Please dont misinterpret our thoughts, feelings or words on this matter.
i have only gone an emailed a popular daytime uk tv programme that debates controversial topics asking them to consider doing a show about the jws, blood, their ever changing teachings and the cover ups.. now i am a whole lot nervous about it........aaaggghhh.
part of me hopes they just ignore me....... fi (who is just packing her bag to catch the next flight to somewhere remote).
Sirona
I may hold you to that
i have only gone an emailed a popular daytime uk tv programme that debates controversial topics asking them to consider doing a show about the jws, blood, their ever changing teachings and the cover ups.. now i am a whole lot nervous about it........aaaggghhh.
part of me hopes they just ignore me....... fi (who is just packing her bag to catch the next flight to somewhere remote).
Ninja I thought you didnt want us to discuss that since the divorce........anyways thanks hun for the body parts
i have only gone an emailed a popular daytime uk tv programme that debates controversial topics asking them to consider doing a show about the jws, blood, their ever changing teachings and the cover ups.. now i am a whole lot nervous about it........aaaggghhh.
part of me hopes they just ignore me....... fi (who is just packing her bag to catch the next flight to somewhere remote).
I have only gone an emailed a popular daytime UK TV programme that debates controversial topics asking them to consider doing a show about the JWs, blood, their ever changing teachings and the cover ups.
Now I am a whole lot nervous about it........aaaggghhh
Part of me hopes they just ignore me......
Fi (who is just packing her bag to catch the next flight to somewhere remote)
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mum aged 22 dies for jehovah.... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article427045.ece.
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I watched this too........he actually used it as a defense as to why this girl would be considered 'having disfellowshipped herself had she had a blood transfusion' or in otherwords she knew the rules when she got baptised........I rang the BBC breakfast show and told them that the JW doctrine is inconsistent in that they are allowed blood fractions........I hope the BBC takes this further.
i mentioned on a recent post about an elder who had asked to visit with me on saturday...........he was a friend of my dad's for years.
so he came on saturday morning and we spoke for several hours in a pleasant and friendly manner but discussing a lot of jw related subjects.. so in light of the recent death of a young jw mum i thought i would share with you all some of the comments made by this elder who is one of 5 elders on the hlc for our area.. he was quite proud of the work he does helping both jws facing the situation of blood transfusion and his dealing with the medical staff involved.
i told him i would have a blood transfusion now if it was deemed necessary and that i would battle for my son to have one, who is nearly 15, despite the fact that his father has bought him as a jw.
Hmmm.....Gill you have his measure I am sure..........he actually told me recent and old JW gossip as well.
I dont know what to think really........maybe there is more I coulda/shoulda said but I lack experience in anti JW arguments..........I think he got the point though.......he said to my husband before leaving that he realised he was not getting anywhere which I am sure pleased my atheist husband immensely......totally eliminating the opportunity for me to wind up hubby and tell him I was thinking of going back...
His parting shot is you have my tel numbers if you want to call me and I shall call again (which I doubt)....
I think his intention is probably honest and genuine but his teaching is totally misguided.
