I gotta say...if half the claims they make are true...
well, let's just say i'm skeptical, but interested
neat movie
thanks
erandir
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Zeitgeist - The Movie 2007
by veen inhere's an interesting video for you.
it's two hours long but i think it's worth it.
it may seem a little weird to start with but just keep on watching.. .
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1914, Generation doctrine belief change!
by Gill ini had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
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erandir
The excuse I was given when the people who studied with me and my wife when we first came into the "truth" was kind of interesting...especially from my viewpoint now. They mentioned the generation teaching change and how some had left because of that change. They said those people were just serving Jehovah for a date or with a date in mind which is wrong, according to them. They then talked about the 1975 thing and how it was a similar situation, that there were witnesses only serving Jehovah for a date, and after the date passed, they left.
How ironic. What about the idiots writing the publications that came up with setting the dates for the end of the world? No one ever mentioned how wrong they were and any scripture about false prophets being exposed by their false prophecies and how we should not pay follow them. No...just this "new light" b.s.
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1914, Generation doctrine belief change!
by Gill ini had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
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erandir
Ok, I don't have an older copy of the Reasoning book that still mentions the generation 1914 thing. However, I still have two books that used to be used as 1st and 2nd study books for new recruits. The 1st one is the Live Forever book, or "You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth," copyrighted 1982, 1989.
On page 154 paragraph 7 it says:
"Also, the Bible said that all these things would happen upon the generation that was alive in 1914."
Then paragraph 8, same page:
"After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: 'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the end of this system] occur.' (Matthew 24:34, 14) <sic> Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon."
My comment from re-reading this b.s. is how in the world can healthy-thinking people suck this all in and then later go right along with the WT when they said this is now "old light." This isn't old light, it's plainly and simply darkness. It's like saying white is black and then coming around later and saying white is now green. Grrrr. Why did I accept that "new light" crap for so long?
Anyway, the 2nd book is the Worship book, or fully "United in Worship of the Only True God," copyrighted 1983.
In paragraph 1, page 176, after mentioning 1914 and establishing this date as the beginning of Christ's invisible presence, the text goes on.
From paragraph 2, pages 176-7:
"The Scriptures clearly show that the 'generation' that saw the beginning of Christ's presence would also see the 'great day of Jehovah' in which he executes judgment against all who practice unrighteousness. (Matt. 24:34; Zeph. 1:14-2:3) That 'generation' is now well along in years. But the Bible does not pinpoint the exact date when Jesus Christ will come as Jehovah's executioner against Satan's earthly system of things."
I don't have a working copy of the CD-Rom yet, so I had to dig through my old library. It's better to have a hard copy anyway because the Society can't come and change the wording like they can, if they want to, with each new edition of the CD-Rom.
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1914, Generation doctrine belief change!
by Gill ini had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
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erandir
Or, you could get a copy of the Reasoning from the Scriptures book now and compare it with one from before the change. I happen to have both versions somewhere. Our elders had the gall to ask the publishers to trade in their old books for new ones so that we wouldn't get all mixed up out in field service if we had to consult the book. If I find them, I'll post the changed info and the copyright dates of both.
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All current JWs: What is this?
by AuldSoul inthe bible students in 1918 numbered very few, fewer than 6,000. within three years, the number tripled.. the "intriguing subject" they proclaimed from 1918 through 1922 was "millions now living will never die.
" upwards of 70,000 attended to hear this message proclaimed in germany alone.
the talk series had a longer title, "the world has endedmillions now living will never die.
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erandir
It's not a false prophecy because the "current light" says that the Watchtower isn't a "prophet". Even though they have claimed to be a prophet in the past. Sooooo. Hmmmmm. If they were claiming to be a prophet when Judge Drunkaford gave that whopper of a lie, then ...............
O.M., after listening to various commentaries/tangents that my previous book study overseer went into instead of just conducting the question/answer session of the book study, I have determined that the Society defines prophet in two ways and apply whichever definition best suits them at any given time. The first definition is someone who tells the future based on God telling them directly. The second definition is a spokesperson for God and does not necessarily imply any future-telling. So depending on your point of view, the Society is God's prophet or not. Reminds me of the Jedi's from Star Wars..."From a certain point of view."
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comparing WTS with Pharisees
by erandir ini had a good discussion saturday night with my witness wife about how the society is basically a modern-day version of the pharisees and how jesus condemned them in his day and how he would condemn the society today.
does anyone have any good points or any insight into comparing the society with pharisees?
anything you have would be helpful so i could get my thoughts together and figure out a way to approach this subject with her in the future whenever it comes up..
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erandir
Thanks for the responses. Looks like I have a lot to work with here. I just need to get my copy of the WTLib up and running, and away I go.
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Watchtower Officials- Please Read This!
by nvrgnbk inyou are dying.. you are evaporating.. we're the only ones that care, and that's because you took so much from us all.. i used to think you were just misguided.. now i'm thinking that you are heartless and manipulative.. the fight against your lies and control is just beginning.. i say that not to minimize the tireless and valiant efforts of those who have spent years exposing your fraudulence.. i am indebted to these for easing my exit from your cult.. but a new generation is awakening.. we are not done with you.. i got my brother out who was an elder.. i got a ministerial servant out.. i got my son out.
he will not waste his youth on your lies.. i post on jwd in the hope of getting many more out.. i am working on a book about the lies surrounding 1914. .
we smell your fear, your terror.
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erandir
I pointed out that a lot of JW things are like the Pharisees
Sounds like a nice topic for a JWD thread. LOL!
Love to hear your thoughts.
You're in luck, peeps...I have one started already!
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comparing WTS with Pharisees
by erandir ini had a good discussion saturday night with my witness wife about how the society is basically a modern-day version of the pharisees and how jesus condemned them in his day and how he would condemn the society today.
does anyone have any good points or any insight into comparing the society with pharisees?
anything you have would be helpful so i could get my thoughts together and figure out a way to approach this subject with her in the future whenever it comes up..
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erandir
I had a good discussion Saturday night with my witness wife about how the Society is basically a modern-day version of the Pharisees and how Jesus condemned them in his day and how he would condemn the Society today.
Does anyone have any good points or any insight into comparing the Society with Pharisees? Anything you have would be helpful so I could get my thoughts together and figure out a way to approach this subject with her in the future whenever it comes up.
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Is the Watchtower magazine's stated circulation actually erroneous?
by Orgull ini just changed my order of magazines at the counter to the bare minimum.
me, my dad, my friends, heck everybody i know throws out a large bag of unused watchtowers and awakes every few months or at least once a year.
then it hit me.
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erandir
You distrust your own "Mother"?
I could not stand it when my book study conductor would say "And we are so thankful for our motherlike organization."
Orgull,
Do you "have" to give that talk 4? You could just be a no-show. Think of it as good practice for the brothers who do the improv, moments' notice talks. That's a win-win situation!
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I'm tired
by mrsjones5 ingot up at 5am, got the hubby up, we dressed and went to the surgery center (oh yeah i didn't tell ya'll that hubby was to go in for vein surgery this morning), hubby had surgery and we were out of there by 10am.
went and got some crutches for hubby, van started making funny noises and the battery light came on.
went to target to pick up some stuff for the kids, left there and car sounds worst.
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erandir
Well, at least your day was tempered by some good people stopping to help out. Wonder what the dubs would say about that.
They would ignore it. They only pay attention when a dub is helping another dub (or maybe a dub helping a *gasp* worldly person). Then they pat themselves on the back and write an article about it.