so i've been having an elderly jw call on my for the last few months, but i haven't seen her for most of the summer because i've been quite busy doing other things.
anyway, the last time she called she left the brochure "what does the bible really teach?
" and asked for me to read it and give my opinion.
That letter looks a bit condescending to me.
"Despite you're obviously being wrong about your reasons, thanks for taking the time to let us know how you really feel. It's so refreshing that you're such a respectful ignoramus. Maybe when you see the light, I'll come back and be more prepared to refute your claims. Touche. PS--See, I can write notes, too!"
Ok, so I'm a bit negative today.
As He is the Creator, Jehovah and his name people can kill whomever they like.
Exactly my point, nvr. Since I am technically still one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I can play chess and any other war game that I please.
wtwizard recently started a topic discussing assemblies and conventions and mentioned the following:.
(next year, it is four days but only apostates have access to that information.
can someone please point me to the thread that discussed this or post the information in this topic?.
WTWizard recently started a topic discussing assemblies and conventions and mentioned the following:
(next year, it is four days but only apostates have access to that information
Can someone please point me to the thread that discussed this or post the information in this topic?
Apparently, this is news to a few of us. Thanks.
It is military training and as such it is despised by my God Jehovah, the One also known as Jehovah of Armies.
Hey, if it was ok for the Israelites to go in and wipe out whole civilizations (I think they call that ethnic cleansing today), not to mention all the other nasty atrocities they committed in the name of their god, I think it is ok for me to play chess once in a while...well, after I'm done playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Battlefield 1942.
hey guys.. sometimes im really next to crying (better: im crying).
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Freeme, I am in a similar situation except a little more progressed in my fade. I've been inactive for a while, and my talks with my wife are progressing to the point where she doesn't get mad so much when I bring up things that I learn here. It's taken a while of gently introducing these things, making some progress, and also making her mad at times.
The last conversation we had, she surprised me by agreeing that meeting attendance wasn't so big a deal after all...especially with the congregation we are in. She mainly goes to the book study meeting because her group seems to consist of mostly balanced individuals who don't get all pharisaic on everyone. She regularly skips the school and service meetings and most Sundays. Also, I got her to agree that the WT society is a modern-day bunch of pharisees. I plan to show her this article soon and tie it in somehow with this pharisee idea and the Bereans and whatever else I can think of. I'll let you know how that goes.
You might find that over time, your wife will mellow out whenever you present new information to her about the cult she is still in...as long as you do so a little at a time and gently. The keys are being patient and presenting things little by little. Remember what the WT says about the "Adam to Armageddon" speech and how that turns off most householders? Too much information in too little time.
The same concept applies here, only we're trying to get our loved ones to see something much more beneficial.
Good luck!
here's an interesting video for you.
it's two hours long but i think it's worth it.
it may seem a little weird to start with but just keep on watching.. .
I gotta say...if half the claims they make are true...
well, let's just say i'm skeptical, but interested
neat movie
thanks
i had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
The excuse I was given when the people who studied with me and my wife when we first came into the "truth" was kind of interesting...especially from my viewpoint now. They mentioned the generation teaching change and how some had left because of that change. They said those people were just serving Jehovah for a date or with a date in mind which is wrong, according to them. They then talked about the 1975 thing and how it was a similar situation, that there were witnesses only serving Jehovah for a date, and after the date passed, they left.
How ironic. What about the idiots writing the publications that came up with setting the dates for the end of the world? No one ever mentioned how wrong they were and any scripture about false prophets being exposed by their false prophecies and how we should not pay follow them. No...just this "new light" b.s.
i had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
Ok, I don't have an older copy of the Reasoning book that still mentions the generation 1914 thing. However, I still have two books that used to be used as 1st and 2nd study books for new recruits. The 1st one is the Live Forever book, or "You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth," copyrighted 1982, 1989.
On page 154 paragraph 7 it says:
"Also, the Bible said that all these things would happen upon the generation that was alive in 1914."
Then paragraph 8, same page:
"After drawing attention to the many things that have marked the period from 1914 onward, Jesus said: 'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things [including the end of this system] occur.' (Matthew 24:34, 14) <sic> Which generation did Jesus mean? He meant the generation of people who were living in 1914. Those persons yet remaining of that generation are now very old. However, some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. So of this we can be certain: Shortly now there will be a sudden end to all wickedness and wicked people at Armageddon."
My comment from re-reading this b.s. is how in the world can healthy-thinking people suck this all in and then later go right along with the WT when they said this is now "old light." This isn't old light, it's plainly and simply darkness. It's like saying white is black and then coming around later and saying white is now green. Grrrr. Why did I accept that "new light" crap for so long?
Anyway, the 2nd book is the Worship book, or fully "United in Worship of the Only True God," copyrighted 1983.
In paragraph 1, page 176, after mentioning 1914 and establishing this date as the beginning of Christ's invisible presence, the text goes on.
From paragraph 2, pages 176-7:
"The Scriptures clearly show that the 'generation' that saw the beginning of Christ's presence would also see the 'great day of Jehovah' in which he executes judgment against all who practice unrighteousness. (Matt. 24:34; Zeph. 1:14-2:3) That 'generation' is now well along in years. But the Bible does not pinpoint the exact date when Jesus Christ will come as Jehovah's executioner against Satan's earthly system of things."
I don't have a working copy of the CD-Rom yet, so I had to dig through my old library. It's better to have a hard copy anyway because the Society can't come and change the wording like they can, if they want to, with each new edition of the CD-Rom.
i had the dubious pleasure of explaining the 1914 generation change doctrine to a relative who has been a jw for all of his life the other day.
he didn't even know that there had been a generation change and that the wt was no longer claiming that those alive in 1914 would still be alive when armageddon struck.. however, he said he would only believe me if i could tell him the exact date of the watchtower that explained this change.. though i know it is 1995, i do not know the exact date/issue and he refused to research it claiming it would show lack of faith on his part if he questioned his beliefs....but he said he would look it up if i told him which issue it was.. so, please, could anyone direct me to the exact issue in which this world shattering event was revealed?.
i remember, many jws, especially elderly ones being shocked at this revelation, but obviously this particular relative was not concentrating at the time!!
Or, you could get a copy of the Reasoning from the Scriptures book now and compare it with one from before the change. I happen to have both versions somewhere. Our elders had the gall to ask the publishers to trade in their old books for new ones so that we wouldn't get all mixed up out in field service if we had to consult the book. If I find them, I'll post the changed info and the copyright dates of both.
the bible students in 1918 numbered very few, fewer than 6,000. within three years, the number tripled.. the "intriguing subject" they proclaimed from 1918 through 1922 was "millions now living will never die.
" upwards of 70,000 attended to hear this message proclaimed in germany alone.
the talk series had a longer title, "the world has endedmillions now living will never die.
It's not a false prophecy because the "current light" says that the Watchtower isn't a "prophet". Even though they have claimed to be a prophet in the past. Sooooo. Hmmmmm. If they were claiming to be a prophet when Judge Drunkaford gave that whopper of a lie, then ...............
O.M., after listening to various commentaries/tangents that my previous book study overseer went into instead of just conducting the question/answer session of the book study, I have determined that the Society defines prophet in two ways and apply whichever definition best suits them at any given time. The first definition is someone who tells the future based on God telling them directly. The second definition is a spokesperson for God and does not necessarily imply any future-telling. So depending on your point of view, the Society is God's prophet or not. Reminds me of the Jedi's from Star Wars..."From a certain point of view."
