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  Playing with words...

  by Lumptard in

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  i was talking w/ an elder last week about whether or not jws have the only correct interpretation of the bible.

  me: is there only one correct interpretation of the bible?.

  elder: yes.. me: if there is only one correct interpretation, then why does each religion that is based on the bible have a slightly different interpretation that coincides with what their leaders require of the religion's members?.

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  I was talking w/ an elder last week about whether or not JWs have the only correct interpretation of the bible

  Me: Is there only one correct interpretation of the bible?

  Elder: Yes.

  Me: If there is only one correct interpretation, then why does each religion that is based on the bible have a slightly different interpretation that coincides with what their leaders require of the religion's members?

  Elder: Because all of the other religions besides JWs are under the influence of Satan. (shows me the scripture that says "whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one")

  Me: So how do JWs know that theirs is the correct interpretation?

  Elder: I don't like to use the word "interpretation"

  Me: Uh.........wha?

  Elder: "Interpretation" has the connotation of someone putting a spin on something. I prefer to use the word "understanding"

  Me: I'm just using the dictionary's definition of interpretation. (interpretation: n. The act or process of explaining the meaning of something.)

  Elder: Ok, but I still prefer to use "understanding"...The JW's understanding of the bible is the only correct one. (understanding: n.superior power of discernment; enlightened intelligence)

  .....and then he went off with some type of circular logic that left me more confused than I was to begin with.

  ARRGH...anyone else have this type of thing happen to them?...did I just get an illogical elder?
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  Letter to the WTBTS...

  by Lumptard in

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  anyone know how long it usually takes to get a response from the society?

  i sent a letter about a month ago....is this standard time?.

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  Gaaaa!!!...So I guess that I have alot more waiting to do...My letter wasn't a rant, it simply had some questions that I was unable to have answered by the local elders. (U.N. thing)...I even ran it by a few people to make sure that it didn't sound confrontational. Has anyone had any luck with sending the letter multiple times? Or does anyone have a phone or Email addy that may be faster? If you do, please PM me.
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  JW's - Satanic Cult or just wrong-headed religion?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  the evils of the religion are well documented here and elsewhere - but does that prove to you that they are indeed 'satanic', under the direction of satan?

  or are they just screwed up?

  jeff .

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  It started honestly enough...Russell made no effort to hide the source of info or predictions (however wrong they were)...He was searching for God's purpose....He wasn't trying to controll people.....but as usually happens, men (Rutherford, GB) found that they had influence in peoples' lives and ran with it which turned an honest group of people in the persuit of truth into a group who defines "the truth" as their organization. They are not a "Satanic Cult"...they have just progressively moved further and further away from those original pure intentions.
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  Letter to the WTBTS...

  by Lumptard in

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  anyone know how long it usually takes to get a response from the society?

  i sent a letter about a month ago....is this standard time?.

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  Anyone know how long it usually takes to get a response from the society? I sent a letter about a month ago....is this standard time?
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  Would you date someone with a history of INCEST?

  by kristyann in

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  hey everyone!

  i hope that at least someone missed me or noticed that i was gone!

  i have been so busy, and i don't think that i've really been on here since june.

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  Jeffro:

  Not quite as bombastic an opinion as 'she said no but she really meant yes', but it's right up there.

  Woah...We're talking about two completely different things here...I'm talking about coercion...you're talking about forcing sex. Of course a man can say no and then the woman could force herself on him, but that isn't the case here. They were both willing participants.
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  Would you date someone with a history of INCEST?

  by kristyann in

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  hey everyone!

  i hope that at least someone missed me or noticed that i was gone!

  i have been so busy, and i don't think that i've really been on here since june.

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  Yikes.....ummm...my gut says drop him. He was obviously old enough to know better...I don't know how you'd be able to even look at him w/out seeing him with her...*yeesh*..IMO, men are never coerced into sex...if a guy doesn't want to get it on, then he won't...and especially not with his cousin. I wouldn't even think of marrying him, but I'm not you so......there's my two cents. Best of luck.
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  Has anyone seen this research on 607 and the Watchtower?

  by lurker in

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  i was recently searching the web for information on 607 to discuss with my wife and i came up with this.

  http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/default.html these people say that they are proving the watchtowers 607 date correct.

  i am convinced that the watchtower is wrong because of all the other things that i have researched but i would welcome any feedback.

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  This part I found funny:

  "What will you accept? The chronology of secular historians who mould the Bible to fit their chronology, making inspired prophecies fail? Or will you accept the complete and harmonious Biblical chronology, which gives us a time-line without contradictions, showing the total fulfillment of every prophecy Jehovah gave us? Will you judge the accuracy of secular chronology against the occasions where it agrees with the Bible, or will you only judge the Bible correct if the secular evidence happens to agree with it?

  It very easily could go the other way...

  What will you accept? The chronology of THE WTBTS who mould the Bible to fit their chronology, making HISTORICAL EVIDENCE fail? Or will you accept the complete and harmonious FACTS.....etc.
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  How did you hide things?

  by Nosferatu in

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  for those of you who had some evil in you, how did you hide the things that you didn't want your parents or fellow jws to find?.

  i used to hide porn magazines under the carpet in my bedroom, and i had a gutted vcr that i used to hide my rap tapes (along with other things i can't remember).

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  Hid myself under my GF's bed...
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  For my hairy argument...

  by Inquisitor in

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  can anyone come up with names of some famous people (dead or alive doesn't matter), respectable men (sorry ladies, but a bearded lady wouldn't help my case), who've grown beards or kept a moustache?

  thank you.. inq.

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  Good 'ole Pastor Chuck Russell....
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  Hmmm...

  by Lumptard in

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  just got this email this morning...anyone know if there is any truth to this?

  haven't been to an assembly in a while, so i can't say that i've heard one way or the other.

  normally i'd just disregard this as someone talking blarghey but it came from someone who usually doesn't send me that kind of stuff.... .

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  LOL JaguarBass... "Unless you read it in the watchtower its bullshit.......it would have to be a recent watchtower not one from 10 or more years ago......No more than a month or two old.... If its not in this months watchtower it didnt happen" Strobe light indeed..hehe