Lisa,
Ha ha! OK, what is a levada, and how do you walk one? Here you go:
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2973/Madeira/Levadas.html
so along the line of other threads about mortality and every disease known and unknown to man, i pose a question:.
if you are an active jw, how much time per week do you spend on regular exercise (not the sunday afternoon softball game)?.
if you are an inactive or ex-jw, same question, only: how long did it take you to realize that regular exercise should be a part of your life to maintain/improve your health?.
Lisa,
Ha ha! OK, what is a levada, and how do you walk one? Here you go:
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2973/Madeira/Levadas.html
if you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the wtbts?
or did you just feel that jw`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in god, albeit accepting that your idea of god was now somewhat different?.
according to the watchtower, by leaving the jw`s, you have rebeled directly against god.
Java,
I agree, I don`t know for sure that there is a god, I suppose if it were up to me, I would have made my existence a lot clearer.
Englishman.
so along the line of other threads about mortality and every disease known and unknown to man, i pose a question:.
if you are an active jw, how much time per week do you spend on regular exercise (not the sunday afternoon softball game)?.
if you are an inactive or ex-jw, same question, only: how long did it take you to realize that regular exercise should be a part of your life to maintain/improve your health?.
LDH,
I try to keep fit, my job entails me going up and down a ladder over 200 times a day which is quite strenuous. AND, this April, I`m going LEVADA walking.
Englishman.
if you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the wtbts?
or did you just feel that jw`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in god, albeit accepting that your idea of god was now somewhat different?.
according to the watchtower, by leaving the jw`s, you have rebeled directly against god.
If you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the WTBTS? Or did you just feel that JW`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in God, albeit accepting that your idea of God was now somewhat different?
According to the Watchtower, by leaving the JW`s, you have rebeled directly against God. This is what it says:
"Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of, their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they ‘feel a loathing’ toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies,…" The Watchtower October 1, 1993 p. 19.
The WTBTS`s incitement to `feel a loathing` towards the ingrained badness of ex`s, is based on their fear of people turning against the "organisation" - how presumptious to call it "Jehovahs organisation! - and has nothing to do with people turning against their creator.
To turn against God, you have to believe in his existence! And, if you believe he exists, who would be dumb enough to turn against him?This, surely, has to be one of the greatest oxymorons of all time.
Englishman.
wow, looking at the post list i can hardly believe my eyes.
looks like the list of names from 'old' h2o!.
thanks to unclebruce for posting this url on coolboards so i could find my way here.
Hi Farkel,
Nice to see you too.
Englishman.
i've been asked to post this on behalf on someone.. can a person have any action taken against them if they refuse to accept a shepherding call?.
the circumstances are that they do not go out on service, but are regular at meetings.
they want to serve jehovah, but have lost all faith in the eldership arrangement.
Angharad (Nice name, very Poldark),
When I was a goody two-shoes witness and in 2 servants jobs, I was reprimanded for making too many shepherding calls!
Some waggish fellow caught on to the fact that I only paid visits to the prettiest sisters in the congregation.
I just assumed that it was one of the perks of the job.
Englishman.
dear all.
i'm a new chap here, one of the old h2o refugees who seem to have been streaming to this place recently.. englishman suggested i post my "christmas shopping" post as a kind of introductory-hi-and-how-are-you.
hope you like it, despite it not being terribly seasonal at the moment.. i'll look forward to posting here in the future (original stuff i mean, not just reheated "greatest hits" like this).
Cheers, Duncan, that is the best post that I have ever read!
HA HA HO HO HE HE GUFFAW GUFFAW GURGLE GURGLE!!!!!
Englishman.
despite an abundance of evidence that hits at the heart of the wts, it should be no surprise that many seem to ignore everything and continue.
you may wonder why particularly as many of us were in the wts and did not ignore the comprehensive mass of proof against the claims and teachings made.
typically brothers can enjoy themselves as elders.
Nice post, ISP.
Just run that past me again, the bit about emigrating to Spain, now that I could handle!
Someone pass me the sangria...
Englishman
those of us who have frequented h2o and have otherwise encountered our fundie friends from the usa have many times been reminded of their strange arguments and ideas.
all of them seem to long back to biblical times and particularly the times of the old testament.
they have got the idea that those days were so wonderful when everybody was adhering to biblical morals, values and such.
Norm,
It`s a great pity that America still clings on to capital punishment, I think that it`s unique system of voting for judges may be responsible, but "being tough on crime" by legal murder is only one step away from an eye for an eye.
America should have ditched executions 40 years ago alongside the rest of the civilised world, how can it ever be regarded as having the moral highground when it upholds practises that are nowadays only the province of governments such as China, Iraq and other dictatorships?
Sorry if I have offended you US guys, but honestly, it really is time that America cottoned on to the fact that many Europeans wont even travel through a US state that carries out the death penalty.
Englishman.
i received this e mail tonight...thought you might like to see.... sent: wednesday, march 14, 2001 9:01 am.
subject: bro.
lyman swingle.
Afternoon Bruce,
Thats the first time that I`ve seen you have a go at someone, I bet you`ve been ICHING to do it for a while. Maybe what you say has some truth in it, I wonder if Noahs cattle had foot & mouth disease?
Englishman.