when i began to study with jws, i deluded myself into believing i was pursuing truth, when i was pursuing a closer relationship with my dad.
i suppose keeping him happy by joining his new club didn't seem cool to me as a teenager, when i was meant to be rebelling from his authority.
but having had so little to share with him emotionally, or intellectually for most of my upbringing, this seemed too good an opportunity to pass up.
Philo,
I can understand the "Father" thing. As kids our mothers are the all important entities, dad sort of comes in later and we seek his approval pretty well for the rest of our lives.
The sad part comes when, to get his approval, we have to become good little dubs. Our personality goes out of the window, suddenly we realise that dad is judging us solely on our performance as a witness.
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
love asked, "richness, can i come with you on your boat?
next, love saw sadness passing by.
" "it was time", knowledge answered.
Francoise,
Now the old brain cells are a churnin'!
I recall that "Love was a many SPLENDORED" thing being altered to SPLENDOURED for the benefit of the UK.
I always thought that the word was SPLENDID.
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
love asked, "richness, can i come with you on your boat?
next, love saw sadness passing by.
" "it was time", knowledge answered.
Ye gods, Prisca,
I'm fillin' up, here......!
Englishman reaching for his hankie...
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
the question, "why are you here?
" is simple enough, and your answer may be straightforward.
however, when i asked that of myself, i find that my answer is pretty complicated.
Larc,
I'll tell you why I post!
When I left the dubs in 73 I was still acting the part. I took a job in which I was the local manager / group study conductor. My reps / publishers sold windows / Watchtowers to people. Every week I reported to my Regional manager / PO, and every 3 months I was visited by my Divisional manager / CO. We had weekly sales meetings / service meetings and quarterly seminars / assemblies.
10 years ago I realised that I was locked into a pattern, so I quit my job and started my own business. Because I had been in sales management I knew how to generate business. If anyone wants any tips on how I did it I'll make a post out of the subject.
At this time I suddenly started to realise what an enormous fraud had been perpetrated on me and my family. I got quite mad for a while. Now I find it cathartic to take a swipe at the WT. I'm not much interested in their beliefs, what gets to me is the enormous sociological questions that are raised. That is why so many of my posts are simply relating things / events that I witnessed, such as the denouncing publicly of a 15 year old girl. I feel incredibly protective of the Newbie's here, I want to give them some of the emotional strength that I have accumulated. I want to kick the arses of the bullies who play on their fears. I want to see the ex's regain their courage and self esteem, and if my posts help them to do that then I'm very content.
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
being an american the thoughts i have recently thought have a lot to do with independence day jul the 4th god isn't it great.
independence day the day we left the borg the day we finally became free.
people destined to lead their own lives and not be held in bondage by anyone, not any organization religious or otherwise.
Congratulations America on 225 years of Independence!
I would also like to congratulate you on 225 years of Freedom. Sadly, however, I can't do that if you are still tied in to the WTBTS, because you still haven't got even the right to express your opinions without fear of reprisal. Surely, freedom of speech was one of the basics when the constitution was first put forward?
Correct me, please, if I'm mistaken.
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
some watchtower interpretations are speculative,.
a very few are arguable,.
and many are just stupid and specious.. perhaps the most stupid and specious interpretation.
Cheers, Metatron.
This is one subject that I will never let go of, delighted to have you gnawing at the same bone.
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
well i was reading a few other posts today and got inspired!!!!
everyone join in!!!
the dubs keep leaving two by two.........
Venice,
HurrAH, hurrAH? Very upper class if I may say so! Didn't you know that the "Sun has got it's hat on, Hip Hip Hip HOORAY!?
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
since i found sites like this on the internet i have been constantly amazed at the great number of people who post here and yet do this in secret.. so many people seem to be trapped in a situation where they desperately want to leave the jw religion behind.
so many people seem to be unable to do so for fear of losing their families, fearing that a da'ing or df'ing decree will separate them from the people that they love.
some posters are even elders and ministerial servants.. so, can you guys tell me how you manage to lead a life that is so complex?
Zev, Chester,
I do recall now that even when my first disastrous marriage was well over, my then wife was panick stricken at the thought of me leaving the JW's.
Interesting that most of the want-outs are males, is there something here that is terrifying the ladies, I wonder?
I'll respond in an hour or so, it's time for me pint!
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
do we,can we,make time for ourselves?.
many of us exiting the wts were limited and restricted regarding our free time/vacation activities.most activities didn't meet with wts approval for various 'reasons'.
"worldly associations,is it 'wholesome'?
OK, Free2beme!
Tell me in which casino you play roulette, and do you play a wheel by section as I do all around 28/29/32?
Also, have you ever played using the "hypothetical bet" system?
One curious Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
this, today, in the times, london:.
slowdown turns out to be the recession that never was.
economic view by anatole kaletsky .
Fred,
Spare me the reports on the state of your nappy. Sorry, diaper, you wont have the brains to translate so I've done it for you, Troll.
Englishman.
..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
