Posts by nelim

Young Jesus

by nelim in

in the new publication "jesus - the way, the truth, the life", page 23 jesus is pictured as a young boy when the astrologers visit.

how old do you guess him to be there?

i'd say 4 years old.

In the new publication "Jesus - The Way, the Truth, the Life", page 23 Jesus is pictured as a young boy when the astrologers visit. How old do you guess him to be there? I'd say 4 years old. But Herod's command was to kill all boys younger than 2. The illustrator forgot the bible context for this picture? :-D

Also interesting that they have "Joseph and Mary remain in Bethlehem" (top page 20). But that's not very logical if just Joseph needed to go there to register / pay taxes. They were living in Nazareth initially, so why not go back when duty's paid?

I was curious how Watchtower would resolve the inconsistency between Matthew and Luke (it's impossible for both accounts to be correct about Jesus' birth narrative). Their cleverly disguised attempt is on page 25: "Apparently, Joseph intends that his family settle in Judea, perhaps near the town of Bethlehem, where they were living before they fled to Egypt." This completely bypasses that they were originally from Nazareth. Interesting that they see the need to explain this detail in Matthew about Joseph not wanting to go back to Judea; but make up a new story about them remaining living in/near Bethlehem for some time to make it all fit. This is nowhere in the both accounts. Matthew implies they were living in Bethlehem already (astologers visit a house, not a stable like Luke), and later go to live in Nazareth because of the supposed baby genocide. Luke has them living in Nazareth, going to Bethlehem to register themselves, going to the temple and back to Nazareth.

This suggests to me that the writers at Watchtower are very well awake to this inconsistency but purposefully deny facts and invent new stuff to glue everything together.

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607 BC Discussion - JW Podcast

by God_Delusion in

hi guys & gals,.

we finally get to tackle the 607 bc debate in our last show of the season.. please leave any comments here and let us know if you agree or disagree with any of the points we brought up about 607 bc.. http://www.jwpodcast.org/2015/05/24/s01e14-607-bc/.

love,jaymes.

nelim

New moon is every 29 or 30 days. The solar lunar calendar year has 12 or 13 times 29.5 days. So never 360 days. Every couple of years there is an extra month (the 13th one), but different cultures have different ways of determining when and what pattern.

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New way of preacing?

by dogon in

i have noticed that in florida at least i see at every flea market and or town square jws sitting drinking coffee with a table and a couple of sandwich signs with watchtowers and awakes doing nothing more than playing on their phones and or talking to each other.

i have not yet seen anyone going up to them and engaging them but i bet they are counting time.

what a cheat.

nelim

I agree with oppostate. Lazy? I think it's smart! Almost jealous.... almost ;-)

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Fritz Springmeier book "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" among the books found with Usama bin Laden

by jwleaks in

jw
friends

director of national intelligencewashington, dc 20511may 20, 2015 usama bin ladin document releasetoday the odni released a sizeable tranche of documents recovered during the raid on the compound used to hide usama bin ladin.

the release, which followed a rigorous interagency review, aligns with the presidents call for increased transparencyconsistent with national security prerogativesand the 2014 intelligence authorization act, which required the odni to conduct a review of the documents for release.the release contains two sections.

the first is a list of non-classified, english-language material found in and around the compound.

nelim

I'm not sure what is your point? Illuminati, is that the same as freemasonry? At least Charles T. Russell was not a freemason, see this article:

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/charles-taze-russell-was-not-a-pennsylvania-freemason/

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7 months out!!

by Ghiagirl in

i'm always wanting to post but there is so much to say i don't know where to start!

left 7 months ago, hubby dfd and i was removed as a publisher.

i am pregnant due date coming fast.

nelim

LOL @ you laughing about r rated movie! That's honesty right there! That takes courage, love it! Take care and good luck

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Questions about the Flood for Brother Jeramy

by cappytan in

how long did the flood last?how long can land vegetation survive submerged in seawater?how long can freshwater fish survive in saltwater?how old is human civilization?

what is the oldest settlement in south america?

how did those people get there from the middle east after the flood wiped out everything on the earth?.

nelim

Questions are boring. Let's watch a video instead! :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g

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Is anyone interested in getting a full financial report on the WTBTS of Britain?

by defender of truth in

this report provides information on watch tower bible and tract society of britain including:*.what their money is spent on*.amount raised for every 1 spent on fundraising*.5 year financial information*.how your donation helps.

here you can request the free report:www.charitychoice.co.uk/charity-report/watch-tower-bible-and-tract-society-of-britain-68372.

and this is a link to purchase a full in-depth report:http://choice.charityfinancials.com/store/buyreport.aspx?cn=1077961.

nelim

I have created an overview of most of the figures of the IBSA and WTBTS for myself. The relation is quite complex. WTBTS produces the literature and hires accomodation (and people I guess) from IBSA to do that. Then it sells that literature to IBSA (for distribution I guess) at production costs. But the IBSA reports mention that all costs it makes are reimbursed by the WTBTS. Maybe both are true, but it's fuzzy to me.

Here is what I noticed, this is 2006-2013:

donations are quite stable, per year ~15M pounds in cash, and ~3M pounds in legacies (by testament after someone dies I think?), with a peak in 2013 (5% up), but there was also a peak in 2007 (30% up), so I'm guessing these are outliers
someone donated ~5M pounds as property in 2011 to the IBSA
literature producing costs are stable
there has been a big inflow of money from the German branch from 2011 onwards
there has been a big increase of grants/overseas support particularly in 2012, but also 2011 and 2013 (I guess for kingdom hall building), the German money seems to have been used to support Africa and other continents with building halls and other local congregation needs there
very little is being used for humanitarian aid (that's not news though!); e.g. 2011 reports grants of ~20M to support overseas missionary work, but only 110 thousand to support Haiti shelter relief buildings + kingdom halls (of course!)
convention costs were quite stable, but significantly more expensive in 2012 (60%) and also, but less so, in 2013 (40% compared to 2011); OTOH these costs are 5% of the total or so
I think New York coordinates shuffling money around to keep the balances in check; every year's report mentions other countries donated to ranging from Brooklyn HQ to Europe to African bethels.

Anyway, mostly looks to me like "business as usual". I can't see how they can finance ever-expanding bethels (and accomodating people there) though, the funds seem to be stagnating, not increasing. Although with these cross-country "injections" (grants and overseas donations) it's hard to draw definite conclusions from the London branch alone.

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August 2015 WT - Let's Review the BS Children

by InjusticeSystem in

found these gems in this edition:.

- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.

there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.

nelim

For instance, some members of the Bethel family in the United States have been reassigned to the field...

ROFL! What a nice way of saying they have been laid off from Bethel!

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Better Bible Translation?

by Sofia Lose in

which bible translation is the best, according to biblical scholars, anybody knows?

please chime in.. i plan on getting it and doing comparison with the new world translation.

sl.

nelim

As far as I know, no translation is perfect. They all have their mistakes here and there in some verse. I usually use biblehub.com to compare with several. I think the NASB is mostly good. Young's Literal Translation is hard to read, but in a few places it does matter to get a sense of the original words as well as possible in English. Hope this helps, note that I'm a layman though.

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Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Brother Jeramy in

allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

nelim

1) Do you consider it ethical to preach to people that they have to join a religious group that will force them to (a) lose their life due to blood issue (b) be terribly traumatized in case of sex victims and how elders typically hush this up (c) split up families over disagreements about faith?

If the governing body had a "take it or leave it" approach; like "this is our opinion, if you agree, nice, if not, also fine!" then I might agree with you. But they do not, and anyone who disagrees openly is put under enormous pressure.

2) You say you are not an advocate for the WT Society, but if you preach, then your goal is to get people baptised, which will put them under WT society control. Or do you preach to people warning them not to get baptised or otherwise they might face dire consequences listed under point 1)? I figure then the elders will want to speak to you if they hear about that. That would brand you an apostate.

3) "It is not all wrong". Well, I heard a couple of times at the meetings that 'we' should use the following illustration at the door when preaching to others: would you drink a glass of orange juice if it had only a tiny drop of deadly poison in it? The idea was to compare their religion with that; although it could have "mostly good things", but it was not acceptable to God because of the tiny drop of poison (false teachings). And now you're defending that things are not all wrong?

Such a statement is hard to refute, but I think 99% of all typical JW teachings are unscriptural or when unrelated to the Bible, just straight-out nonsense. Problem is that the Bible is inconsistent, so it depends on where you put emphasis, that defines whatever for you "truth" is. Truth is, it's inconsistent and therefore cannot be the "Word of God".