Posts by Paisley

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Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

by The wanderer in

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why can you see through the watchtower while others cannot?

compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

Paisley

I think you also have to hate to see people mistreated; then you start to question. If mistreatment of others doesn't really bother you, and having your every thought, word and deed monitored, then you might not mind staying, even with all the pharisaical rules.

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CRUISES VIRII STOMACH FLU...NOWHERE TO GO!

by LovesDubs in

gawwwwwd can you imagine being on a ship in the middle of the ocean and everybody on board gets the stomach flu???

ohmygaaawd.. ugh.... updated:2007-01-25 11:32:00flu outbreak sickens hundreds on cruise shipby marcus wohlsenapsan francisco (jan. 24) -- a highly contagious form of stomach flu sickened hundreds of passengers during a worldwide voyage on the famed queen elizabeth 2 cruise ship in what health officials called an unusually large outbreak.

the centers for disease control and prevention reported 276 passengers and 28 crew members had come down with norovirus by the time the ship docked wednesday in san francisco for a regularly scheduled stop, though only four passengers remained sick.

Paisley

276 passengers and 28 crew members had come down with norovirus by the time the ship docked Wednesday in San Francisco for a regularly scheduled stop, though only four passengers remained sick.

Well at least that! Only 4 passengers remained sick. I was surprised to learn above that this norovirus ranks second only to the common cold in reported cases!

If I ever go on a cruise or other vacation then, I'll be sure to bring plenty of activated charcoal and lemons and other herbs, drugs and treatments along just in case!

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Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

by The wanderer in

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friends

why can you see through the watchtower while others cannot?

compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

Paisley

It's getting dimmer for me, but I do know that there's a tremendous amount of fear. Fear to question, fear to investigate, fear to trust your intuition, fear of losing family if you dare.

I know that so many little things bothered me for a long time, so I developed a good healthy bad attitude. It got so overwhelming that I couldn't trust myself to be at the meetings, because I couldn't hide the contempt after awhile. Then I stopped going.

Going back though, it just made me sick to hear certain extremely flawed elders remind the congregation that the elders were the "glorious ones" as noted in the Bible...and that we had to honor them. It also disturbed me to read in the literature that the various members of the Governing Body were antitypes and were mentioned in the scriptures. The Revelation Climax book was pretty nauseating too. Pretty pictures though.

Why the failed prophecies don't turn more Witnesses' stomachs is beyond me. And the changes in the generation teaching and the blood doctrine; and the U.N. hypocrisy. Amazing.

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JWs and tatoos

by Phil in

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i noticed while watching the aussie tennis open that serina williams has a tatoo on her back that shows a little when her dress top shifts a little after some intense play.

what does the wt think of tattoos particularly on women jws.

i noticed she still does that "jehovah" thing in her finishing speach, that tells me that she is still in the org.

Paisley

Even now, though I encourage my son to get a tattoo and piercing to enhance his hot punk-band image , he resists, saying the brothers frown on it and he doesn't want to call attention to himself, especially since they already disapprove of the band! His hair is also always an issue, and he tries to maintain a stylish but versatile cut so he doesn't look like some 50's brown suit up on the rock stage, or like some rocker on the KH stage when he gives his talks.

I'm happy to say he considering the tattoo however, and has designed some for when he does decide to get one.

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Do you tend to think that many things "go without saying"? I do...

by Paisley in

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after an eye-opening conversation with an old acquaintance yesterday, someone i don't know well but thought i had some clue about .

we've all heard it said "i'm not a mind reader you know, speak up!

i didn't know you felt that way.

Paisley

After an eye-opening conversation with an old acquaintance yesterday, someone I don't know well but thought I had some clue about , I could really use your opinions on this!

We've all heard it said "I'm not a mind reader you know, speak up! I didn't know you felt that way." Right??

Now here's the scenario. Summer day, high noon, just getting out of the meeting. Hubby is an elder, has already dealt with his various little matters after the meeting; the necessary and/or desired socializing is all finished, and the family heads out to the car, with lunch plans already discussed.

Wife and young children get in the car, get settled, and up walks some brother, some ministerial servant, who wants to talk to the husband. Oh well, you roll your eyes and accept the inevitable, and figure the conversation will be brief and if necessary, they can exchange phone numbers and talk later.

Remember it is a hot summer day and the car has been parked in the sun for about 3 hours. The wife and little children are now sitting in this car for what turns into about an hour! We open the doors, the windows, even get out at some point, as it is sweltering. The kids are restless, hungry, and the wife is as usual, wishing husband would just once follow through with the plans he has made with his family.

MY QUESTION IS THIS: Doesn't it go without saying that it's thoughtless, even unkind, to leave the family in the car like this, standing in the parking lot shooting the breeze with an equally thoughtless person? The conversation was jocular, so it didn't seem like some serious matter needing immediate attention. And even if it was serious, shouldn't they have had a little consideration for the family? Is it not blatantly OBVIOUS?

Tell me if I'm wrong. The reason I ask is, yesterday when I gave this example to my old acquaintance, he actually asked me if I "had let my husband know that I wanted to get going". That perhaps I should have communicated this to him, else how would he know?

I'm stunned at that reaction and wonder how many men out there feel the same way, that they would have to be a mind reader to know it would bother a wife and little kids to sit in a sweltering car in the hot sun for an hour for no reason?

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Grandma's in the Hospital- Help on a "JW in the family" problem

by OnTheWayOut in

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a bit long, but i really need to vent, and i really need your replies.. my uncle is a jw, his wife and son and daughter-in-law are jw's, too.. they all moved away from family over 15 years ago, serving where the need was greater.. they went out west to new mexico, then other places.

they all broke off all contact with their .

parents (my uncles parents who are my grandparents, and my aunt's parents who i don't know well).

Paisley

First, I was amazed that this guy would answer so freely. Second, I am so upset with this uncle. I have said in the past,
straight up to my mom- that he should not be an elder since he shows no concern for his parents' welfare. She
totally agreed. Now, he's in a bigger city. I doubt I would ever find the congregation, but, I wonder- should I try to contact the
CO in his last cong. (remember- I am a fader- I just want to be left alone) and explain this nonsense- possibly with the goal
of having him deleted? I think I know the answer is to forget it, but I am so upset right now, I need your calm thoughts.
THANKS for reading all that.

I feel for you and deeply respect how much you care about your family in this. And it's so understandable that you would want answers, when the situation seems so bizarre!

Unfortunately, it seems like a losing battle as far as getting the organization to care that an elder is behaving in an unloving manner....

I wouldn't try to get him deleted. From what I've read, love is at the bottom of the list of qualifications for an elder.

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Is it normal to love a spouse more than your child(ren)?

by unbeliever in

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i was watching this show in passing and they had a woman on there that said she loved her husband more than her children.

she said by putting her husband first it made her marriage stronger and happier and therefore it made her a better mother.. i did a double take when i heard that.

i don't think it is normal to love a spouse more than your child.

Paisley

I know that when I was still attending, wives who were also mothers were being strongly admonished, firmly instructed, that it was necessary to put the husband first and the children second, always. That this would be properly showing respect for headship and would lend toward a healthier family.

One Circuit Overseer was very staunch on this, and I believe it was also in print. What I don't recall is whether the women were also being told they should actually love their husbands more than their children. If that were the case, what a joke! You love whom you love and however much you love them.

Personally I always tried to be very supportive of both my children and my husband, though I had little respect for him as a man; I did care deeply about him in spite of my lack of respect and romantic love for him. I defended him and took care of him always. He just didn't take care of himself or return the favor with regard to his wife and children.

I also think it would be very sad if a woman loved her husband more than her children, that this would be pretty unnatural, and would probably stem from selfishness or fear of some kind.

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Check Out This Catholic Church Sign Unbelievable

by moomanchu in

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Paisley

Hah! Wow, that's different for a church sign.

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Label the act for returning to JWism for family only (e.g. Gumby)

by UnConfused in

i think it's a deserving act of love to make the sacrifice to rejoin a cult in order to stay connected to your family.

it's putting your love of your family over so so many things.

what could we call it so we could easily understand someone's actions who also does this?

Paisley

Hi Aude

Don't be too hard on Mary and everyone. Gumbdude himself has sanctioned her posting:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/127697/2260669/post.ashx#2260669
-Aude.

Oh my, I know! See how poorly I get my point across?? That's what I was saying. That he doesn't mind.

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Label the act for returning to JWism for family only (e.g. Gumby)

by UnConfused in

i think it's a deserving act of love to make the sacrifice to rejoin a cult in order to stay connected to your family.

it's putting your love of your family over so so many things.

what could we call it so we could easily understand someone's actions who also does this?

Paisley

I was appalled to see Mary blasting across the board Gumby's decision and the reasons behind it...to me it seemed so inappropriate under the circumstances. Dangerous. Unfathomable.

BUT it's so obvious that Mary knows him very well, and if he had a problem with his personal business being spilled here for all onlookers, friend and foe, JW and non- or ex- JW, then he would have said something to her and others he's close to.

I would think. But it doesn't appear that he has done that.

I don't know him but I certainly wish him very well, as I can tell all here do, too.