Thanks for the update. Your concern and great deal of effort have been fruitful; I'm happy about that, and I admire you for all you've done for the family.
I hope grandma pulls through.
Paisley
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Grandma's in the Hospital- Help on a "JW in the family" problem
by OnTheWayOut ina bit long, but i really need to vent, and i really need your replies.. my uncle is a jw, his wife and son and daughter-in-law are jw's, too.. they all moved away from family over 15 years ago, serving where the need was greater.. they went out west to new mexico, then other places.
they all broke off all contact with their .
parents (my uncles parents who are my grandparents, and my aunt's parents who i don't know well).
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Gilead
by AllTimeJeff ini will use my other thread today to talk about gilead.. one must apply for several years to show they are serious, unless you know a gb member or another heavy in the service dept.
a couple first gets a long app in the mail usually after several years of applying at the dc.
it is over 115 questions.
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AllTimeJeff I can't tell you how much I appreciate getting an inside view of Gilead and missionary work, from someone like yourself. What a wonderful thing it is to hear about it. Thanks!
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What rebellious things did you secretly do while still in?
by Paisley inonacruse and mouthy said something very interesting in becca's thread and it got me thinking..... did you intentionally do certain things, either to assert yourself, even though privately/secretly, or just because you strongly felt it was the right thing to do?
things that were not in keeping with the organization's teachings?
things that if known, could get you in hot water in the congregation?.
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Onacruse and Mouthy said something very interesting in becca's thread and it got me thinking....
Did you intentionally do certain things, either to assert yourself, even though privately/secretly, or just because you strongly felt it was the right thing to do? Things that were not in keeping with the Organization's teachings? Things that if known, could get you in hot water in the congregation?
I only did little things, but they were intentional, to "get away with it", such as singing Christmas songs, buying birthday cards "for the art", specifically selecting paper towels with holiday prints, which if questioned, I would simply have said I hadn't noticed.
Many contrary thoughts went through my mind while listening to the annoying drivel at the meetings over and over, but I didn't have differing religious beliefs at the time, other than to disagree that Jehovah's Witnesses were necessarily the "honest hearted ones" as opposed to many nonwitnesses who were obviously far better people.
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Just bought a NIV- whose name should I call on, Jesus or Jehovah?
by becca1 ini'm reading romans currently and as a life long witness and nwt reader i've always read romans 10:13 as "anyone calling on the name of jehovah will be saved'.
niv says "jesus" and the context seems to suppoet this quite clearly.
could anyone please comment on this??
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Melanie ( my daughter that died) told me after I was D/f that she ALWAYS prayed to Jesus when she was a JW>>,I taught her she should pray to Jehovah..." Infact Mum( she said)I always felt he was sitting next to me on the bus going to school, """cos all the kids laughed that she couldnt do what they did...
I was SO pleased to hear that>>>> when I was free.Mouthy, that's wonderful!
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When we say "I'm proud of you" are we elevating ourselves above others?
by Paisley ini don't mean when we as parents tell our children we're proud of them for a certain accomplishment or approved behavior; but when one adult tells another adult "i'm proud of you for (doing this or that)", possibly implying that in our opinion the approved action should have been done sooner, are we elevating ourselves above them?
could it even be a left-handed compliment?
as in "im proud that you've stopped beating your wife.
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Thank you for your comments...they're very helpful! Please continue.
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Just bought a NIV- whose name should I call on, Jesus or Jehovah?
by becca1 ini'm reading romans currently and as a life long witness and nwt reader i've always read romans 10:13 as "anyone calling on the name of jehovah will be saved'.
niv says "jesus" and the context seems to suppoet this quite clearly.
could anyone please comment on this??
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As a personal aside: When I was a JW, I prayed to Jesus (though I never admitted that to anyone).
Craig
*applause*
Now that I love to hear! And in fact I'd like to see a thread full of little personal things such as that, that those of us who ultimately left, secretly did while in.
That would be fascinating.
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When we say "I'm proud of you" are we elevating ourselves above others?
by Paisley ini don't mean when we as parents tell our children we're proud of them for a certain accomplishment or approved behavior; but when one adult tells another adult "i'm proud of you for (doing this or that)", possibly implying that in our opinion the approved action should have been done sooner, are we elevating ourselves above them?
could it even be a left-handed compliment?
as in "im proud that you've stopped beating your wife.
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Paisley
Another aspect of this is when people say they are proud of themselves for what they consider some little accomplishment. Seems to me if there were anything to be proud of, someone else would tell them they've done a good job.
Anyway, it always seems a little sad when people do that. What do you think?
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Bethel Pedophile Cano sentenced
by Nathan Natas infrom: http://www.midhudsonnews.com/news/cano_sentenced-29jan07.htm.
cano sentenced for offering boys sex.
goshen a hamlet of wallkill man who was convicted in a non-jury trial last fall for trying to lure boys to engage in sexual activity was sentenced in orange county court monday to two to six years in state prison.. jesus cano, 50, who was a clergyman with the jehovahs witnesses, was sentenced for the felonies of attempted use of a child in a sexual performance and attempted promotion of a sexual performance by a child.. cano was charged with driving around the city of middletown last summer, handing out packets to boys with nude photos of himself, his phone number and other information.. when middletown police arrested him, they found a video camera in his car which a tape that was shot inside a mens room at ohare airport in chicago.. .
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two to six years in state prison
Well it's a start, and any time out of circulation is better than no correction and punishment at all. Good then.
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The Public Talk yesterday was about nothing......................again!
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini try to attend some sunday meetings just to keep peace in my family .but,it is almost unbearable to listen to these public talks.yesterday,the talk was about adam and eve and how they ate the forbidden fruit.how they sinned and now we are all sinners.how they were thrown out of paradise .how the angels came down and had relations with females.that jesus died for our sins.
only jehovah's witnesses who are faithful to the end will inherit paradise earth.the earth will be here to time indefinite.the survivors will never die after the 1000 year reign is over.. how many times have we heard this talk?
how many more times can they pound these talks into everyone's brain?
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I can't sit thru them any longer and wonder how anybody with a brain doesn't suffer from this repetition.
I think they must suffer, as the same old abusive, empty concepts are painfully dull.
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When we say "I'm proud of you" are we elevating ourselves above others?
by Paisley ini don't mean when we as parents tell our children we're proud of them for a certain accomplishment or approved behavior; but when one adult tells another adult "i'm proud of you for (doing this or that)", possibly implying that in our opinion the approved action should have been done sooner, are we elevating ourselves above them?
could it even be a left-handed compliment?
as in "im proud that you've stopped beating your wife.
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Josie
For about a week after he would give me this look and say "Honey, I'm so proud of you!" That was a great feeling.
Josie
...that's wonderful, Josie. Thanks. I think I'm starting to see why I'm suspicious of the expression...oops.