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  Are JW's Dangerous? Youtube Mirror of WTComments video

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1ggji29rj0.

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  boyzone

  As always a well balanced and informative video from WT comments.
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  More Society cutbacks - Society says "screw you" to the publishers yet again

  by sir82 in

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  at our service meeting it was announced that there is a change in the manner in which magazines are now to be delivered to the congregations.. up until now, magazines were sent to each kingdom hall via ups.

  in years past magazines were sent to each congregation po's home address via ups.. going forward, magazines will be sent only as far as the assembly hall.

  it is the responsibility of each kingdom hall to send brother(s) twice a month to drive out there, pick up the magazines, and return.. this of course saves a little bit of money for the society - shipping larger packages to fewer addresses will cost less.. however, what about the expense to the local congregations?.

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  boyzone

  The New Yorker and National Geographic are still afloat aren't they?

  Of course. Where do you think the Awake gets their ideas from?
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  If the WTBTS suddenly dissappeared

  by exwhyzee in

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  i think most of those that are not talking to disfellowshipped friends and relatives would continue with the shunning practice out of pride and spite.

  over the years, it seems to me that most jw's are less concerned about jehovah's will or how he feels than they are about their own feelings of personal superiority or righteous indignation toward the disfellowshipped one.

  i call it the "how dare you!

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  boyzone

  If the WT disappeared ...I'd be a very happy girl.
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  Last Night's Intervention

  by brotherdan in

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  2. friends

  i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

  my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

  but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

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  Beautiful post Qcmbr, right on the money

  Your approach is beginning to work with my JW parents now. After 3 years of small talk, they're now wanting to talk more indepth with me, and without prompting from me, starting to tell me their disatisfactions with the Society. Softly softly...
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  How Shunning Defeats The Watchtower

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know my remarks in this regard are small solace for those affected but i think they can offer a little hope.

  it is shunning in particular that is leading to ultimate defeat of the watchtower cult.. how so?

  well, any policy followed to an extreme results in the opposite consequences.

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  boyzone

  Hotspur

  Any chance you could get them to pop in and see my Mum?

  Wouldn't that be great if she did? Mum and dad have been having private bible discussions with Bro Heans snr recently and its raised some questions in their mind. Apparently Bro Heans has some serious issues with certain teachings, shunning being one of them. My parents have a great respect for him as he's been in the truth since boyhood and is now in his late 80's and their discussions are pretty lively. Bro Heans' way is "the bible first, the Society second".

  I like Bro Heans
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  How Shunning Defeats The Watchtower

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know my remarks in this regard are small solace for those affected but i think they can offer a little hope.

  it is shunning in particular that is leading to ultimate defeat of the watchtower cult.. how so?

  well, any policy followed to an extreme results in the opposite consequences.

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  I agree totally Metatron. Yesterday I had a fascinating conversation with my JW parents about being shunned (I am universally shunned by all in the cong except them) They realised that shunning me is totally counter-productive and proves that the Society aren't loving, and if they aren't loving, then they aren't true christians. If they're not true christians then Jehovah can't approve of them. If they haven't got Jehovah's approval then what are they? Nothing.

  They realised that the Society will have to change the shunning teaching or die. Will they change it? Not a chance.

  I didn't have to say much, its what my JW parents had worked out for themselves.
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  Last Night's Intervention

  by brotherdan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

  my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

  but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

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  Debator

  They claim to be administrators which is allowed scripturally.

  They also claim to be prophets which is also allowed scripturally IF they get it right. They don't get it right so that makes them FALSE prophets.

  Speaking as administers for Jehovah as shepherds given authority by his son is not the same as Speaking TO God directly being inspired

  and having him speaking directly to you.

  But the Society claim that God does speak directly to them by Holy Spirit. How on earth do you think they can claim to be his "channel of communication" otherwise?

  You're right, the Society have never claimed to be inspired, but they do claim to be Spirit-directed, which is the same thing. You are just playing with semantics as you try and make excuses for a false prophet Organization that has none.
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  I would like to hear your experiences with being SHUNNED

  by jwfacts in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am going to put together a page of short experiences of how shunning has affected exjws.

  you do not have to be disfellowshipped, even if you were shunned after being marked or after fading.

  all comments are welcome, such as who shunned you, how long since family have spoken to you, what your situation is, why you are being shunned and how it has made you feel.

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  I will post a letter that I sent to a local elder after I disassociated explaining the affects the shunning has had on my young son and I. It'll explain exactly what we both went through. At the time of writing, in 2007, my son Tom was 8 years old.

  Dear Jerry

  I hope you don’t mind me writing to you but I was wondering whether you would be interested to know how the shunning has affected Tom and I at the gates of W****** Primary School over the last 18 months. I apologise if you are not in the least interested, please don’t read any further.

  When I disassociated I genuinely thought some would shun me as per the Society’s directive, but I was emotionally unprepared for my close friends who knew me so well, to have almost relished an opportunity to shun, especially those sisters that like to frequent the M&S coffee shop regularly. The lack of love displayed was truly hard to bear.

  Initially I was shocked that the sisters at the school gate, namely Lisa, Christine Morgan and Sian, were so cold and uncaring. They seemed to take the shunning to their hearts and applied it to the letter, ignoring Tom as well as I. regardless if I continued saying good morning to them or not.

  This surprised me as I genuinely thought they were true friends. Although they would be sad at my leaving, I thought they would understand and still say hello. How very naive of me! The only exception has been a request by Sian for a letter to be passed on to her. I gave her the letter gladly and she has returned to ignoring me as usual. I guess its ok to waive the rules and talk to me when they want something yes?

  The hurt and pain in my heart used to ache constantly to the point where Tom and I both dreaded walking up the school driveway morning and afternoon, knowing that we were being treated like pariahs by people be both had known and loved.

  My own personal hurt came to a head the day that Lois was waiting for a sister at the front of the school one morning last summer. At that particular time my mum was in the hospital in post surgery having just had the cancer tumour removed from her bowel. She had had a really lousy weekend and had been in terrible pain. I had been at the hospital every possible moment during that time and was physically and emotionally drained seeing her in such pain. On the school driveway that morning I was hopeful that my sisters would talk to me, perhaps ask how mum was doing or even just throw me a smile of understanding. I really needed a friend that day!

  Instead I was ignored by Sian and Lisa who were busy chatting together, and as I approached Lois at the base of the driveway, she turned her back on me.

  To be honest Jerry, I don’t think I have ever felt as devastated as I did at that moment. To see my dear sister, whom I had been a support to throughout Doug’s bowel cancer illness and a help when Seth had his motorbike accident, turn her back on me when I needed her most was the cruellest of hurts. I got back to my car and was almost hysterical with hurt, so much so that I was hyperventilating and could hardly breathe. Even today, 8 months on, when I remember that day, the pain in my heart stabs me through and tears are never far away.

  Seth tried to excuse Lois by telling me it was up to her individual conscience to behave that way. To be frank, her behaviour that day showed, not a conscience but a lack of one. It makes me very sad to know that such a caring friend as Lois will allow the “rules” of the Society to come before a show of genuine love and compassion to one who was her friend.

  However the affect all this has had on Tom has been more serious. His behaviour in the classroom began to deteriorate and he began to manifest some odd body movements. His anxiety increased markedly with his breathing being fast and shallow and his eating and weight decreasing rapidly.

  His sleeping patterns became poor and his temper extremely volatile with regular head banging on classroom desks and walls. This continued for all his time in year 3.

  His teachers and I were extremely worried about this change of behaviour and he was sent for an assessment at Oak House in Newport to be seen by a team of child psychologists. Their initial assessment concluded that Tom was autistic and they recommended a course of behavioural therapy that would help him cope.

  All this time I suspected that a lot of Tom’s problems were due to the shunning at school but this suggestion wasn’t taken seriously by the healthcare team or teachers. They didn’t seem to grasp the seriousness of the emotional bullying Tom and I were enduring.

  His teachers began to help him in class, but it wasn’t until I regularly began to take him to school through the rear entrance, avoiding the driveway wherever possible, that we began to see real improvement. As he entered year 4, virtually all his anxiety symptoms have eased and he is my happy, normal little boy again.

  A follow-up consultation with the child psychology team have since concluded that he is not autistic after all, but his symptoms were indeed the result of stress caused by the shunning at the school.

  Whilst I am pleased to see Tom well and to have the autistic diagnosis changed, this does not mean that I am happy about what has transpired here. I am very angry, as any parent would be. It’s truly disgusting to shun an adult, but to shun a child is despicable. I am appalled by the behaviour of the sisters at school and I thank Jehovah every day that I am no longer part of such a group of people that can behave so cruelly in His name. Yet I also know just how bad a witness has been given by this action. Many scores of people at the school, at my place of work and Andrew’s work colleagues have observed how Tom and I have been treated and are disgusted by the Witnesses. I eagerly look forward to the day when Tom no longer attends Wootton Primary and I would have readily changed schools sooner if he hadn’t started to improve.

  To this course I am writing a letter to the head teachers and child health professionals on the Island outlining the adverse mental health reactions that have befallen us as a family and the many thousands in the wider ex witness community. I feel very strongly that such adverse reactions are often hidden from the mental healthcare teams and teachers due to the benevolent front the witnesses like to portray. I feel something needs to be said to redress the balance so that these professionals are able to understand the stresses of being a witness (or ex-witness) and therefore assist in the care they can offer. No doubt many will interpret this as “beating the brothers”, but this is not my motive. On the contrary, if the professionals can draw on my experience to assist other brothers in need of their services then that can only be a good thing.

  Hoping that you and all the family are keeping well.

  Christian love to you all

  I never did receive a reply to this letter. It wasn't even acknowledged.
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  Did You Ever Really Listen At The Meetings?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  toward the end of my meeting attendance, i started to pay attention (as best as i could) to what was being said and that was truly the final nail in the coffin.. when you actually decipher the "reasoning" of the "truth", you can't help but see things clearly..

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  boyzone

  The only things remembered were the funnies or the faux pas. The rest was just same ole' same ole'
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  In search of truth

  by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

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  now that you have discovered the "truth" is not the truth, do you still believe that a truth exists?

  do you think you have found one, are you still searching or have you given up on the whole idea of an absolute truth?.

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  boyzone

  The absolute truth is the unconditional love I have for my children. Hear that Watchtower? Unconditional.