Posts by underaglassmoon

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Was Mel the first Jew Basher?

by underaglassmoon in

18 years ago

ok so the story go's .

until jesus, jews were gods people.

under the rule of the romans, these none pagans needed to go to the temple to serve the only god.

18 years ago

Thanks Primatedave, yes that was the information I was looking for. So it came from the Book of Daniel, . . . humm. Would you happen to know how many prophecies in the Bible give exact dates for the period when it is to be fulfilled? Also thanks for the reading advise. I just found this site last weekend. Before then I never considered asking myself these questions. I plan on getting Is It God's Word? by Joseph Wheless , and C o C by the Ex GB guy. Any other reads for someone looking to expand their mind?

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Was Mel the first Jew Basher?

by underaglassmoon in

18 years ago

ok so the story go's .

until jesus, jews were gods people.

under the rule of the romans, these none pagans needed to go to the temple to serve the only god.

18 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

Thanks for the insight Primatedave and heathen. The mosaic convenient angle is probably what I would want explained to me if possible. Who made the declaration that the mosaic law was terminated? Just from memmery , I thought it had to do with "the Jews" denying Jesus that lead to them no longer being the chosen people. If the then current Jewish leaders believed they were under this Mosaic law, who was it that claimed after jesus death that their covenant is now void? Was it one of the apostles? Who declared that Jesus death marked the end of the Mosaic covenant? Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Or if anyone know a former elder who can explain from the WTS view point how they reached this angle, that would be great to.

PS. I was just joking about the whole Mel title. I thought it was funny that people felt the story of Jesus death according to Mel Gibson was "anti Semite" material. I figured cause of my question it made for a nice title.

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Where do I go from here?

by ddman in

18 years ago

i left a year or so ago, told my parents about that time, (that was barrel of monkeys).

at that point i have just put beliefs in the "backburner".

i feel like i was burn't out on religion in general by the last 30 years or so in the borg.

18 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

I completely feel you. If you chose a religion I will ask you to ask yourself this one question. Almost all christian religions are anti-gay. I have come to terms with myself and accept them now. At first I could not. I was already drinking and smoking within in year of leaving the JW's and leaving my parents while in my teens. But still I would try to stay away from "gays" saying to myself it was a sin. Right around 20 years of age I ran into a JW kid I grew up with. I maybe a few months earlier found out that he too left in his teens after coming out to his dad. He was kicked out of the house. When I saw him, all I could think about was how like me he has no family. It was at that moment that I no longer saw gay as gay. Unless they really flaming, that still gives me the creeps, but that's my right to have that opinion. Any how, latter when I wondered if I wanted to have kids, would I raise them in any religions. I thought, I don't want them to hate anyone because they are told God hates what that person is labeled as.

A far as if there is a God. At first I made it my goal to prove to myself there is not. I currently do not believe there is, but I came to terms with the believe brings people comfort so I do not want to take that away from them. So I don't get all preachy about trying to prove his none=existence to people. Plus I found a joy in doing good things with out the reward of a afterlife or what have you. I know I'm a good person. I feel confident If I saw you trying to jump start your car, I would stop and give you an hand. That just how I came to terms with it all. If you want to know how I disproved God to me. read the next line.. if not stop here! . I don't want to take that belief if it brings you comfort.

Is there a GOD?

Because JW's have to prove everything by using the bible when this question was poised to me it completely made sense.

Prove the existence of GOD . . . without using an assumption.

Who created the stars? Who created the animals? Well someone created them! That's an assumption. I don't know and you don't know. Most scientist agree they have ton's of evidence to explain how these things came to be. But still that is not 100% agreed a pond by all scientist. So in the end the great questions we pose to prove the higher power are all assumption based. Except for how Jessica Simpson has a career, some higher power must be at work to keep her in the media. Best of luck in your decision.

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Was Mel the first Jew Basher?

by underaglassmoon in

18 years ago

ok so the story go's .

until jesus, jews were gods people.

under the rule of the romans, these none pagans needed to go to the temple to serve the only god.

18 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

Ok so the story go's . . . Until Jesus, Jews were Gods people. Under the rule of the Romans, these none pagans needed to go to the temple to serve the only God. What they studied was the laws of abraham, and other assorted history of what it was to serve God. The teaching was done by the scribes and Phar - a - sies. Or they at least held what paper document their where back then right? (Sorry if I I cant remember the whole thing)

Then Jesus hits the scene, now the people keeping God's religion alive were not doing a good job. They were selling animals in the temple and not at Wal-Mart prices. So already in bad standing, they "the leaders keeping Gods religion alive" conspire to kill Jesus. Here is the part im really fuzzy on! They arrange to get Jesus taken to trial. And they are the ones who forsake his name, and a crowd too? So the "BAD" leaders and "ONLY" leaders, refuse Jesus. And whatever "Jews" that where there also claim Jesus to be a phony. So that was the grounds that Jews convent with God was broken?

Now I can understand I guess that in order to have Christianity, you need to prove there is no more "GODS CHOSEN RACE" How many percentage of the "jewish race" were involved? and do you feel that the number involved validates destroying there "Contract"? I felt that the first humans screwing us over was a bit of an unfair angle, but there was no line of lineage here. It was just lead by the people who where in charge of keeping "Gods religion" alive. Any opinions on the matter?

ps: this is my first Topic so go easy on me

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The Gospel of Judas

by kwintestal in

18 years ago

what are your thoughts on it?

the link to the national geographic research of it.. link to the translated document of the gospel of judas.

i read the account and i must say it really sheds a different light on the whole story.

18 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

I always wondered why some of the "Gospel" are said to hold more water then others. At first, I thought it was believed that the other Gospels were either proved to be written latter and then determined false. Then I wondered how you prove how old a 2000 year old document is when you deny carbon dating for everything else.

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Society's claim of Matt. 24:14 being fulfilled - What it could really mean

by Jourles in

18 years ago

i've had this thought for quite a while and wonder if fits with the recent talk about the wts claiming that matt.

24:14 has been fulfilled.

my thought was this --- in the wake of the recent cutbacks at bethel, scaling back of literature, and other cost cutting measures, could the wts be preparing the r&f for the complete or massive reduction of literature that would normally be placed with "householders?

7 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

A little help here, What is the Matt 24:14 prophecy ? What does the scripture say "more or less" and what has the WTS said was evidence of its full -fill - ment? Its not that we will have cleaner burning cars by 2015 right?

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Changed 1914 doctrine ?

by sexyk in

18 years ago

hey, what's up everyone ?

so apparently the "society" has yet again changed another doctrine, a more recent one.

they have changed the doctrine about some of the people living in the generation of 1914 would see the end of this system.

18 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

Wow - this is a lot to take in. What about the United States and Great Brittan being the last World Power? I still can remember the pictures in one of the books showing all the powers through history and the USA being the last. Over the years I was wondering how close we are getting to the end, but realizing China is likely a decade away from stepping up to bat. Has this issue been addressed? I remember the last world power, and the the elderly from 1914 not getting any younger being the cornerstone of Armageddon right around the corner. Besides the death toll from any resent natural disasters, do they have any more ways of reminding people of the worldly destruction?

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Changed 1914 doctrine ?

by sexyk in

18 years ago

hey, what's up everyone ?

so apparently the "society" has yet again changed another doctrine, a more recent one.

they have changed the doctrine about some of the people living in the generation of 1914 would see the end of this system.

18 years ago

underaglassmoon 18 years ago

Hello, I'm new and just spend the last few days reluctantly taking this in. How long ago did the WTS make statements about the 1914 crowd who would live to see the end, might not be exclusive to living in 1914. I remember my dad making that commit to me (still a practicing JW) with in the last year or two. I remember feeling quite puzzled cause growing up I thought that was only one of the last the prophesies left. Also thanks for everyone's insight on these things.

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