Well that's what really bother me when it is that simple : we have a french proverbe which says : Ma liberté s'arrête là où commence celle des autres" means my freedoms stops where others once freedoms starts ... Well that's what I want overall ... but I only can make choices for myself and still have to deal with other onces choices ...
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by winnie inlets just say that the jw teaching regarding armageddon, living forever were true.. and lets say that many on this forum who still attend meetings somehow survive.. you don't agree with the teachings.
you may not even like many others who survive.
why would you want to live with the kind of people who continually judge others actions?
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Wafe ... welcome again BTw
life is life take it, improve it, fill and feel it (from What I read from you since now, you do I'm mean your not into somebody I would have to tell anything - still I understand your question regarding your state about JW's doctrine) you have you opinions and anything can change it and thats good enough. From what I've read you're big enough to embrace life fully.
About relation before marriage well I guess love have more weight than marriage itself ... what to do think?
Take care ... but your are just a human being with natural needs and natural feeling and if you believe that we are a product of an inteligent spirit ... he knows it all. Since your are not hypocrite ... what's wrong about your needs and feelings?
That always have been my sentiment about that ... I don't want to be an hypocrite ... I can be patient if needed ... but don't ask me more than that (or more than I can bear).
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Need some education on REALITY? Start here! Religionists take note!
by Nathan Natas inprove that jesus is imaginary - from the bible - in less than 5 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huj8hg5cosw.
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LOL ... it's like asking to a mother to appear to prove that her son existe ... that's so weird to ask that only unfaithfull people would ask it
When I or my son say I'm his mother nobody wants to believe it ... even if I'm THERE I and HE would need to get all OUR papers on US (My ID carde wouldn't be enought) ... so when it's about Jesus (as a spirit and its meaning) guess how hard it should be to proove anything.
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I just talked to FRENCH BABY FACE on the phone!
by Frannie Banannie inshe's such a sweetheart!
and perfect english, too!
she's back here on jwd as raf and i've missed her.
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Thanks Frannie Soledad, Leo and Blondie
Sorry I've forgot to give you my email Frannie for the pics ...
I'm dealing with 3 MSN at the same time (first time PD / MY NIECE / MY FATHER's SON's WIFE) trying to match PD and my Niece (she's cute as HELL damn't) Oy oy oy but still want to stay connected with JWD ... I'm overwelmed right now ... to all of youAnd Frannie (love you babe).
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With neighbors like this - who needs enemies?
by AK - Jeff inmummified body found in front of blaring tv.
mon feb 19, 2007 9:19 am et.
new york (reuters) - police called to a long island man's house discovered the mummified remains of the resident, dead for more than a year, sitting in front of a blaring television set.. the 70-year-old hampton bays, new york, resident, identified as vincenzo ricardo, appeared to have died of natural causes.
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who cared for real? decembre 2005 that 1 year and 2 months ago geeeeeeeeeessssssssss !!!
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by thebiggestlie inwhen trying to figure what out what i now believe and what is true i can only think of one truth that keeps coming back to me...everything is 8
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funny because 8 (infinit sign layed out an other way) means Justice (= balance or result of everything) Cool no?
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The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?
by Terry inhistory has demonstrated:.
religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.
technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.
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And the more I read you and the more I think you confused Technic and science ...
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The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?
by Terry inhistory has demonstrated:.
religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.
technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.
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again that's YOUR opinion (even if you are not alone to think that) :
Take Economics, for example. This isn't a science.
No but Marketingwhich have an influence on ecomony is a social science ... (but I guess we are playing with words here No?) ... science is about more we know about something (even if things evolve) more we are able to understand and explain it (*) use it and reproduce it.
Eddited to add (*)
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The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?
by Terry inhistory has demonstrated:.
religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.
technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.
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What I FEELabout things is largely because of how I value things. That isn't my spirit; it is my intellect fed by my choices based on my observations and moderated by my personal taste.
errrr ... , no comment ! ...
Also you don't only have technical sciences you also have social sciences (psycho stuff) ...
Voilà.
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The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?
by Terry inhistory has demonstrated:.
religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.
technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.
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Terry,
I trip over that word: Spirituality. I don't much care for it. You want to know why? It doesn't mean anything. It has no definition. It is more of a vague feeling than a state of being.
Do you think that there is a state of being without feeling this state? (when alive and not in coma - also some people says that when in coma they still had a sens of being)
I invite you to give it identity if you so choose so that I may consider it and learn from you. As it now stands I think it is a term made up to avoid admitting to being religious without anything particular to believe in.
You won't really learn anything from me (you can only acknowlegdeeverything and from that think for yourself about and come up to anything from it - its all yours to learn about something or not) you are open or you are closed to some things it is your choice, There is nothing I can do for or against.
To me, spirituality is like the word "cute" or "cool". People use it to mean whatever they want it to mean and leave it to the listener to fill in the blank for themselves. Okay. But, that isn't communicating; that's playing MAD LIBS.
I'm willing to be wrong. But, for me to abandon my opinion I need something to fill in the hole left.
What EXACTLY is "Spirituality"?a way to explain spirituality would be to say for instance : when you read a poetry what matter the words (= material) or the deepest meaning (= spiritual)
Sorry No comment about your 2 following questions that would be a repeat. But lets talk about this
What is best for everybody? Food, shelter, clothing is about it. Then there is quality of life and purpose. Oh yes, there is longevity and health. Are all those things so debatable? I thought we were all pretty much the same when it came to all that.
ok your spirituality is about the purpose of your life its meaning to you (more or less material and spiritual) regarding you and others (what is the most important for you). We all have a spirit therefore a spirituality (so also a spiritual state) and were you are right is that we don't need religion for that (we have it) the only probleme that I can see with religions is to give God a meaning wich leads to war (any kind with anyone) but you also know that we are also going to war for oil for instance ...
Humanity has the same nature. We have the same needs. It is our tastes and opinions which differ tempermentally.
If we have the same basic physical needs, we do not have the same purpose in life (that's the spiritual part of it).
Religions or phylosophies (they are somehow connected and confused but you don't need the former and can have your own phylosophy which lead your life regarding to your aim/purpose) are good or bad spirited toward others and we are each one of us an other for the other ones ... So when any religion or philosophy (even very personal) bad spirited towards others is spread (by words/actions or reactions) it is a probleme for everyone.