Posts by RAF

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Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA???

by Terry in

healthy people don't go to a doctor.

if they do they are hypochondriacs.

hypochondriacs spend their time and money on imagined illnesses.

RAF

What is knowledge but recognizing things which exist?

What is imagination but synthesizing non-things which don't exist?
Believers treat imagined, non-things exactly the way they treat actually existing things.
Why do they do this? Because they are taught to want to and lose the ability to know the difference.
I guess that you have experienced / explored everything yet to know better ... just asking (but know the answer)

Look I don't think that there is more to say than being honest with ourselve for our own good and to not have regrets (and more over about anything wich could harm ourself and others) what else (FORCING?).

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I REALLY DON'T CARE...............................

by Warlock in

i believe in god, but i also realize he may not exist.. if you don't believe in god, i really don't care, i'm just curious.. i don't have this need to start threads like "why you must believe in god", or other such nonsense, but some of you still have this "control" issue that you thought you left in the org.

it seems like you must still try to control what others think.

"think like me, or you are an idiot.

RAF

FunkyD.

Now while you think it's a fallacy I just thinks it's reasonable to not push anything further as fact but just claming an opinion...

Nevertheless, it is a fallacy to think that just because there are two possibilities, both are equally likely. They may be, as in the coin-flipping example, or they may not as in the lottery-ticket example.

I didn’t say that they have to be equally likely, I’ve just said that I think it’s reasonable to not push anything further than that as a fact but just claming an opinion (and that’s not a fallacy) that when the coin-flipping example is not a good example contextally.

I guess you are talking for your own experience, what do you know about mine?

Yes, I am talking about my own experience and deliberate attempts to find evidence. I have found none. Other people often claim to have evidence but either it doesn't satisfy my standards or they simply refuse to share it.

I’ve share it more than once and there are people who never got any experiences in the matter who feels the right to state that what we have experiences is all something else (but then they have to go into so much whatever improbable possibilities to get there that it becomes irritating, they'll never end even and they have to put is as a succession of very weird coincidences and effects at the same time - so PFFFFFFFFFF) … it doesn’t give me any envy to want to share since I don’t even think that is needy to share … I just feel (I say I feel) that if we don’t have the same experience, it’s because we don’t have to. But I’m rational, and I know what it is all about I'm not trying to believe something unbelievable - it's just thing which happened that I can't explain with rational standards (because of it's paranormal nature) … it just leaded me to some conclusions.

Why do you think I do believe? Why do you think I'm not even going to get into details about that (I'll answer this one) because you won't believe me (and I can understand why) to what looks like reaching virtually zero evidence to you ... is closed 99 % for me (it's just that I don't know about the details and I won't push any possible answer as THE ANSWER on anybody).

It seems that you are claiming you do have evidence but you are unwilling to share it. I don't know why you think I wouldn't believe you. I'm a rational person and believe what the available evidence compels me to believe. If your evidence is truly compelling, I will believe. Perhaps our standards of evidence differ. If so, is mine too high, or is yours too low? How could we find out?

Available evidence for someone like you (sceptical-rational) would be to experience it yourself (like me, sceptical-rational but I went there so …) otherwise you’ll try to find any specific reasons to not believe ... been there (read my answer above) but guess why I haven’t been convince by those possibilities? ... Therefore I don’t see why I should expose myself to that on a board like this … So you want this point here you’ve got it … Again I have nothing to prove to make people think that I’m right in any matter … I mean If I talked about it, it was not as a proof for others to believe me but for other to get the point about my reasons (not the same purpose).

It's similar to the proposition that the lottery ticket I am holding is a jackpot winner. Now it may be that my estimation of the probabilities is way off, and that's certainly something we can debate, but my point is that it's wrong to automatically give equal weight to the two propositions.

Yeah like the kind of I know better answers in probalities I would get in exposing my experience ... That's when this comparision becomes fallacious (contextually) ... You put like a view what I know being an experience which lead me to another conclusion than yours so maybe now you can understand how this becomes a fallacious argument contextually (I'm not talking about anything like lotery to lead to a conclusion here).

Off course it's maybe the way you deal with it and wich persuade yourself (so it doesn't seems fallaciou to you) but if you get a closer look at the question itsefl it doesn't change my experience (my 1+1) wich is not the same as yours obviously

No, our experiences are different but there can be only one correct answer. If you believe you have information relevant to the debate, then please present it. Claiming to have evidence but not sharing it is functionally equivalent to having no evidence at all.

Who have no evidence at all? (back to experience matter).

Don't get me wrong ... My point here is: Forget about saying that you know better, (but that you have an opinion related to your own experience) ... Just as I can't say more than that ... I'm the first to be septical about anything paranormal - but my experience tells me to not dissmiss everything ... when yours can't lead you to that.

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I REALLY DON'T CARE...............................

by Warlock in

i believe in god, but i also realize he may not exist.. if you don't believe in god, i really don't care, i'm just curious.. i don't have this need to start threads like "why you must believe in god", or other such nonsense, but some of you still have this "control" issue that you thought you left in the org.

it seems like you must still try to control what others think.

"think like me, or you are an idiot.

RAF

S4
If you go to my post at the top of page 3, RAF, this is what I wrote: "NO one can say for sure whether god does or does not exist, we all agree to that at the moment - it's just that the TOTAL LACK of evidence makes it reasonable to assume there is no god. At some point a god may decide to reveal itsself. Until then it's a moot point."
Did you not read that before you posted?
So why the need to state anything like we know better, we are smarter or watever alike can't you see the inconsistency here ... (or you have to tell what you are against : religions or the idea that people thinks that there is a kind of God? ...
You can't prove a negative! That's one of the very basic, given concepts of logic.
That's a fallicious argument (maybe inconcious because that's what convince you) but read my answer to FunkyDereck
Acsot: Thanks for trying! I like RAF and her feistiness, but I think there is a huge communication problem. I'm uncertain as to how much is intentional. If you've directed her to accurate information about the definition of these terms in her native language, I find it hard to understand why they continue to be a matter of debate.
Again why the need to make anyone think that I don't know anything about the matter (how presomptious is that ... I mean think about it) ... is this an argument? that's fallacious .... Again what do you know about what I know? ...

And about wondering how intentional is my communication skill .. well (isn't that fallacious either ?)
But you've used too much fallacious arguments against me for me to considere that your's were not intentional (I'll still give you the benefit of the doubt tho - since I'm not in your head).

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I REALLY DON'T CARE...............................

by Warlock in

i believe in god, but i also realize he may not exist.. if you don't believe in god, i really don't care, i'm just curious.. i don't have this need to start threads like "why you must believe in god", or other such nonsense, but some of you still have this "control" issue that you thought you left in the org.

it seems like you must still try to control what others think.

"think like me, or you are an idiot.

RAF

Funky,
What often happens is that people see there are two propositions (A) "There is a god" and (B) "There is no god", they realise that neither can be proved and so they assign an equal probability to both. This is an easy fallacy to fall for.
Now while you think it's a fallacy I just thinks it's reasonable to not push anything further as fact but just claming an opinion...
It may be the same with the existence of a god. To me, the chance of a god existing given that there is no evidence for his existence, and no known way by which such a powerful complex being could come to exist is virtually zero
I guess you are talking for your own experience, what do you know about mine? Why do you think I do believe? Why do you think I'm not even going to get into details about that (I'll answer this one) because you won't believe me (and I can understand why) to what looks like reaching virtually zero evidence to you ... is closed 99 % for me (it's just that I don't know about the details and I won't push any possible answer as THE ANSWER on anybody).
So off course while opting for 1+1 = 2 seems logic (you still have to wonder what is 1 for each of us in the matter).
It's similar to the proposition that the lottery ticket I am holding is a jackpot winner. Now it may be that my estimation of the probabilities is way off, and that's certainly something we can debate, but my point is that it's wrong to automatically give equal weight to the two propositions.
That's when this comparision becomes fallacious (contextually) it stand but without taking everything in consideration
Off course it's maybe the way you deal with it and wich persuade yourself (so it doesn't seems fallaciou to you) but if you get a closer look at the question itsefl it doesn't change my experience (my 1+1) wich is not the same as yours obviously.

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What if you had a mortal "soul"?

by Paralipomenon in

jw
friends

an interesting thought.

i am currently working through alot of theoretical physics and have great fun theorizing myself.

currently looking at atoms and energy and i had a humorous thought.

RAF

well the electrical pulse are produced by the biological brain what's left in the matter of though (all our being in being our total experience and feelings) is intangible - does it dissapear? does it stay as essence as a whole (maybe in an other whole) or as essence shared in the whole well ... we might never know in our state and maybe not even in an other state ... but if is is essence which doesn't fade somehow we are still alive.

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I am leaving, goodbye

by KW13 in

jw
friends

i hope to see you all again one day...actually that might be later on tonight .

see you all later, going to go see if megans alright, she is in bed and the baby is giving her 'pains'...midwife thinks slow labour is possible, not sure yet - but i think these women put it on anyway, dont you lads?

sorry about this i wanted attention..

RAF

k, k, k,
read you later

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I REALLY DON'T CARE...............................

by Warlock in

i believe in god, but i also realize he may not exist.. if you don't believe in god, i really don't care, i'm just curious.. i don't have this need to start threads like "why you must believe in god", or other such nonsense, but some of you still have this "control" issue that you thought you left in the org.

it seems like you must still try to control what others think.

"think like me, or you are an idiot.

RAF

I may get into an other topic here but it is somehow related - S4 for instance was talking about powerfull words well lets talk about it :
If you need to use (intelligence, logic, IQ, Knowlegdes, ... whatever alike) like one side have it when the other don't and (Stupidity, ignorance, lack of knowledge ... whatever alike) about the other side ... you still have to considere what each people are talking about or guess what? (should I tell) ... and and and ... a powerfull word doesn't make a pertinent argument
Now I did insist about fallacies because it's use a bit too much on here (consciously or inconsciously) and I encourage people to really check every argument both sides to get the point about what is fallicious and what is not regarding to the purpose, the questions raised and the argurments ... It takes time but it's worthy ... more you do it and more you sharpen you skill in the matter.
Still it's just tiring to debate or dialogue with anybody who feel the need to use it a bit too much ... Again I don't think that it leads anywhere and at some point it becomes obvious so ...
You can tell to someone that he/she is off topic (it happens - and then you still have to wonder why it's off topic - maybe there is a reason) but if you fight an argument, fight the argument related.

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I decided to go back..........

by ButtLight in

jw
friends

yes kids, im 40 years old, and scared to death!

i signed up for my classes for medical transcription, to find out i have to take the accuplacer test, just to see if im smart enough to be there!

come on, i havent been in school for 22 years, and im suppose to remember algebra?

RAF

Go girl !!!

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I REALLY DON'T CARE...............................

by Warlock in

i believe in god, but i also realize he may not exist.. if you don't believe in god, i really don't care, i'm just curious.. i don't have this need to start threads like "why you must believe in god", or other such nonsense, but some of you still have this "control" issue that you thought you left in the org.

it seems like you must still try to control what others think.

"think like me, or you are an idiot.

RAF

Ascot (I'm surprised)

Ok ... what you guys have to understand is that if we are not talking about the same matter it doesn't lead anywhere
while you are claming (without knowing what I know about the matter - wich I find quiet presomptious) it's seems like you are actually not really reading what I'm saying but only want to push your argument ... so my question is how can you answer an argument if you don't take into consideration the right one.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE MATTER FROM THE START (not the provable part of some provable evolution process which I agree with BTW but only the provable part not more, not less)
Now again : Can any SCIENTIST prove that God (again the kind I'm thinking and talking about - and not JW like) Does not existe?
Is that too much to ask for you to considere this before to state anything either about the whole matter of evolution theory from the start or even me (do you know so much about what I know) OH OH OH Please !!!
I thought that the ambiance was getting more reasonable here ... but
Eddited to add : if you have to read the other tread read it from the start to the end ... to get the point

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so I told her that I'm in love with her....

by jaredg in

but she didn't reciprocate.

she held me tight and kissed me softly.

her body language says that she loves me and she's told me she cares for me very much, but she didn't say those magic words.

RAF

Nothing to add but best wishes !!!
Oh maybe this

I don't think that anyone looks dumb in saying to anyone he loves him/her (just saying it is a gift) what can be dumb is having too much expectations from the moment it is said.