Nobody needs to be a believer
It's about using our reasoning for listening/hearing to every feelings and needs ... it is still contextual ... so it's more about Justice and justice is a balance (every details have it's weight) we can or you can not weight them from our perspective ... that's when wrong things / injustices takes place.
Posts by RAF
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6How Do You Know What's Good? A Question for Believers?
by Perry ini know that there are not very many born again believers on this board.
but for the ones that are here, what say you?
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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S4,
Again I understand your point of view … Not only I’ve read about it, but I’ve even seen full movies as documentaries ans debats on the subject. So again why do you think I don’t know enough about that? Because you feel that for you it explains everything? Ok your right to believe them.
If there is something I can get very quick it’s a concept since I’m interested in the subject. When I read a book or see something when my emotion is not involved I just turn it into a concept every details can be forgotten, because they will come along where they will appear coherent in any process (maybe not the one I was enquiring – but any in any concept and development).
What I’m feeling about the Evolution theory (even from what is proved by now) is this:
Scientists who are working on the “what do we come from question” don’t know where to turn (and I understand that it is the only way for them – it’s their job after all), so they are still following the same path (there is truly no other without considering Essence of everything /God as already existing) and whatever they found out still can’t exclude “IT”,
More they will have means to research and more they will find ways to explain the process that we already know about evolution capacities (But not links to lead a species to another, and scientists really need that to make this entire theory credible – but we miss archaeologist material here … that’s the problem – if they have been able to find several types (but not compatible to bread – since they have means to state about that … So …it doesn’t help them) it just means that those types could have been animals/species who disappeared like Dinosaurs – that’s way back – and we have proof for that … So … where is the proof in what we are talking about to make the entire thing ok as a real proof? … )
So now the way scientists do talk about what they know to make it credible (because we need something to stand on it) is that the theory is highly reliable (ON WHAT? in regard of my previous paragraph … ).See you can explain a process but a process which have occurred for millions years leaves hints/materiel … and this is not the case here.
I’m a believer (I’m neither proud or ashamed of it), my faith is stronger than ever (I have no reason to be scared of God or it spirit / the only ones I can be scared of is myself and fellow human beings), my belief won’t hurt you or anyone (what can hurt others is who I am and I can be whatever when I don’t take care (it happens). That’s when you can call me names and that I will feel concerned about it - if I feel wrong.
But I understood why you got nervous on this (you explained it very well – I do understand a bit of English)… I do not think you are bad because of that … We all get weird for very personal reasons, that some people might or might not understand (because we did not all have the same life). It’s good to bully someone who is hurting someone else … and then there is still that question : what is hurting? (What will hurt you might not hurt me and vice and versa) that’s when it’s all about being able to a better understanding at some point regarding each other … and on this topic my christian belief as how I feel about it (my point of view) is that we just have the right believe what suites our spirit/state of mind needs (since it doesn't hurt badly other people).
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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Abaddon
At least the theory I support has no realistic competitor, but the hypothesis of god you support has an almost infinate number of competing hypotheses of god and no method of determining which is right as none are based on evidence.
Ok so you support a theory - this theory do not exclude the other one (from what is proved by now) which have lots of interpretations. Who cares about the competitor?Everyboby can believe in what they want since it doesn't hurt?
Of coures, I don't have a problem with your beliefs; you're welcome to them. You seem to have a problem with evolutionary beliefs to an extent you criticise it for faults your own beliefs have to a far greater extent.
What you see has a critic is a question which have an answer ; IS THERE LINKS?
Please, answer my earlier question; what would prove evolution to you?
(about the whole process from the start) The links
And then ask yourself what would I ask to prove the 'spirit' you believe in.
I don't know what you would ask. You might ask whatever question comes to your mind to explore if my reasonning makes sens to you ...
And then see if you are applying the same standards.
That's what I do ...
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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Abbadon :
Now I'm even more confused :
So the argument is that I'm insisting that evolution is wrong ... NO NO NO ... I insiste to say that stating that evolution is a proof is just as improvable as God does existe. YOU do insiste to prove that evolution is right or a proof (Sorry that I do have to insist on that, since you all atheists want to make the part of facts in evolution a proof for the entire thing) WHEN IT IS NOT (you are saying it yourself ... what should I understand from your statements : YOU BELIEVE even if you know that it is a theory.
And you actually did understand what I've said : Exactly it looks like I'm a pantheist with a Christian perstective so we can't totally agree on the evolution process from the start and as on thing to create everything if not God in itself. (but that's what the bible is saying - Spinosa didn't bring anything new on the table).we are an all in one.
The essence dont need links (to make something to become something else example : if not from the very start a fish to at the end become an homo sapiens sapiens - no links no way to proove that). maybe simply put it's easier to understand.
The question would be why it's easier to believe that not even from the very start a fish can become a human step by step with no proof of any link) yes we do evoluate to accomodate ourselve to our environement it looks like it is limited (that's a fact too since there is no links prooved - so from that, this fact looks more like a proof) NO?
And that was somehow the purpose of a thread have made something like 3 weeks ago ... and the answer was because I don't believe in God (hided behind evolution is a proof) when it's not a proof YET (is IT?) you seems to agree with that too (so it's like you desagree just to desagree) ugh ! ...
Why I think what I'm thinkin is : we think, we have a spirit ... that with the no link makes it easier to believe in God (essence of everything)
Sorry but I think insisting on that don't hurt ;-)))
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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prolog *complimented* you.
is that what it takes to *understand*, RAF?! ROFLMAO at you!
you can keep it. and thanks for helping the evolutionists out in the end. i would say your comments speak volumes. just perhaps not in the way you intended.
let's get something straight. showing up on a thread and simply saying: "YOU PROVE NOTHING", does not mean that you are right, or that biologists have shown the world nothing. i means that you have removed a finger from your ear long enough to type something out between the "LA LA LA LA LA!!!" 's.
and, in conclusion, i leave the last word to you, since it's obvious that you MUST HAVE IT.
take it!
tetra
Thanks !
I guess you only saw the compliment (I've read more than that -a complet conclusion about why we have a different opinion) did you really read him? or did you stoped understanding when you saw the compliment? -
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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oy oy oy ...
Tetra
(don't make me go back and quote you!)
just do it ! ...
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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Oh noooooooooo ... ok back on it
S4 you didn't offended me you just offended yourself (in name calling) It's ok ... I didn't feel concerned anyway.
I understand your "whys" but it seems that you don't really read me either (Prolog2 did understand - now that I'm thinking about it why him and not you and abaddon and Six, and Tetra and ... All which have proved to be very smart assesin many fields or just very clever ... about what I'm saying but only one got it). It's like you are still fighting the old dragon (=RELIGIOUS BELIEFS) was it the theme of this thread? Or was the theme of this thread we've got facts and that' a proof (NO IT IS NOT).
The point I was making was just to admit that a therory is not a proof (you can learn about it of course it'll help). It did help me to understand that there was no real big difference in what I'm thinking about and evolution (just not on the same base from the start)So please forget about anger when you read (that's a good advice for me too I must admit ... I truly have a problem with self control) when you are answering to people make sure that you are answering the one who makes the argument that you want to fight against. The arguments that you wanted to fight against if I really think about it is RELIGIOUS BELIEFS / when I'm talking about spirituality / From spirit ...
And one thing that I've learned in life is to never Under or Over estimate anyone ... NEVER... too young, too old, very educated or not at all ... whatever ... you never know who will come up with something very clever or strong. -
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Need Some Education On EVOLUTION? Start Here! Perry & Axal take note!
by Seeker4 inperry started a thread on evolution/atheism, which from his very first post showed an incredible ignorance of evolution and natural selection.
axal's comments on the thread were just asinine - how all the atheists in his area were at the strip clubs fighting over women and fornicating!
i have to say that i live in a small town and have been here for half a century, and i couldn't name five people that i know here who are atheist.
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If you accept this, and view it as an allegory, then why cannot god be clever enough to make a Universe that works like what we have proof for?
Why do you limit god's abilities?
abaddon ...
I wonder if you understand what I've said? ... (Now it's like I have an idea of why Sixy didn't seem to understand too) ... You know what? I feel like I need to take at least one month of holidday in an English mothertong country, because it is the only way I would really enjoy to learn how to express myself better in english to make myself clear.To resume :
I'M NOT AGAINST EVOLUTION - TO ME SCIENCE / EVERYTHING IS GOD (ESSENCE AT MATURITY) NO LIMIT BUT SOMETHING CLEVER WITH A SPIRIT (= ESSENCE WITH SPIRIT) AND IF IT IS EVERYTHING WE HAVE A BIT OF THIS SPIRIT IN US (really I don't know how to write this since I've tried many ways already)
I've read you and for once I wondered why (since I've answered about my kind of faith and what I think about the matter) you are still throwing arguments that I'm not against and :Abaddon : Evolutionary theory is the only theory(which is better than a hypothesis) in town.
This is exactly what I'm saying ... (a theory is a theory) and you must admit that it does not exclude the idea of God (maybe the kind of God that JW's are talking about) but Not the kind of God I'm thinking about ... Any books which state that we are a whole in one is actually very close to what I think we are coming from = the same thing (you think it is from a cell / I think it is essence of everything - call it God / Alpha and Omega ...) ... your right and my right to believe whatever we want but as you can see there is no real BIG difference here.
Maybe your reason is to make arguments about believers in the bible account? (I've answered on my position on this too). I'm even more confused that this answers comes from you? So that I really have to wonder about what is understandable on what I'm saying (it's confusing) because I do understand you (but you don't understand me). Try please, because I'm over, I don't think I can write it it in an other way in the near futur (I feel quiet limited here since there is so much confusion about the way I'm trying to say what I think).
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Good idea JH ...
Megsmomma : Beonce's vid was very cute !!!
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Would Blondie or Mary ever make it as Elders in your old Congregation?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inwe know the wts will never except woman as elders.in the last year as a member of jwd,i have learned more from blondie and mary than any elder in my congregation.all the elders in my congregation look like they go thru the motions.they are more like policy enforcers than teachers.. do you think that by excepting woman, some men would be embarassed to how little they know?
does the wts know some woman would better teachers?
is it more like a men's club?
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Blondie : ... I never interfered in the lives of others ...by ... judging them ... .
That's why it just would have been cool ...
Eddited to put a words away in the sentence