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The THIRD DIMENSION of Understanding

by Terry in

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what could be more separate?

what could be more distinctively unalike than a cricle .

a triangle...

RAF

broaden the circle

... LOL ... since the cirle is flat and cone is still limited ... well ...

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The Question Of ReligionThe Question of Atheism

by The wanderer in

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the question of religionthe question of atheism recently, i posted some thoughts and questions about atheism and after having .

read some of the individual thoughts on that thread it is understandable why some.

individuals on both sides feel the way they do.

RAF

There was a time (it's still a way to do it) people needed to personified God to have an approach on it ... but can God be seen as a person and act like a person? (no real answer here but what if it is everything?) an individual as a creator or intelligent material/essence as God there is a big difference here but somehow they can both have a spirit (by themself or through everything)... you can see it the way you want and just say ... Cool I'm a part of this ... I mean, we all belong to it anyway even dust.
To me religion (= politic = division) have fucked up the spiritual view that we can have on it (every politic have a purpose - and that's something we can enquire for real on it) ... when spirituality is about to evoluate with and toward all (to me) from the level we are at with as much balance/justice as possible.
As human being (maybe a stage trough the whole) we can learn from the past (before us from a wide range of means) and have a wider view on the world (it just have to be the right one = out of propaganda = politic/religion to divide and rule) so that we can learn from "everything" in not forgetting what is the most important (= PEACE).
Also for instance I see animals as examples of what to do and what to not do, it's a natural living encyclopaedia about behaviours and technics since always for us human. We also do not only learn from our personal experiences (we can see and understand what is harmful and what is not – we are able to have a sense of measure – means a balance related to facts on the short and long run regardin to how we do evoluate – when animals can have an instinctive sense of balance but related to their community or way of living – and if we are limited to the same kind of balance we are animals).
The other real big difference with animals might be that we do not have the same level of spirit/consciousness (which is related to the fact that we know more at some point from the past till now). So we are not supposed to act like malicious animals just for survival purpose in only thinking about us, our close relatives and community but taking into consideration the futur (since we are able to improve our lives but moreover our spirit to be really satisfied – also we can please ourselves in being bad to others our ourselves but that’s forgetting the fact that our spirit can change and that we can regret it badly).
The entire world is talking … and some books are talking about spirituality, the higher one relatively to there cultural and spiritual level … The light goes brighter in fact little by little …
We human are able to improve everything (even animals lives), but we are also able to destroy everything (even this planet and fucked up other people spirits like religions did and still do) and only one fool would be enough to get there, so of course that’s a big responsibility for everyone – because we can create fools (in mass) that’s when we really understand that spirituality/consciousness (through the whole and not only regarding to ourself) have it’s importance.
Now more and more people goes out with weapons and shoot hoever they feel like for free (like we say here) it could be me, it could be you ...
Believers like Atheistes do have the same responsability ... learning from the past

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Where is my Sugar?

by Sparkplug in

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good morning all you fine folks!!.

now... gimme some sugar!!

send me your best kisses and a cup of coffee!.

RAF

BIG SMOOCHES !!!

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Oh crap,....reading What does the Bible Really Teach? can't stomach it

by *jeremiah* in

so my mom gave my sister in law the "what does the bible really teach?

" filth and i'm trying to read it.

my sil (never a jw) wants me to help her in some kind of reply to my mom.

RAF

oh oh oh ... and about the bible (JW do think that all the bibles are alike which is not true and the one which differ big deal with others is the NWT once ...).
So it's interesting to show them that all bibles are not the same ...
Of course you'll have an answer like ... well the NWT is the right one ... but you still can show how they complicated it all (to make sure any would need a mentor to tell them what it all means).

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The THIRD DIMENSION of Understanding

by Terry in

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what could be more separate?

what could be more distinctively unalike than a cricle .

a triangle...

RAF

I'd like you to consider these two shapes and their UNalike characteristics as a kind of metaphor for religion. Specifically Christianity.
There is Orthodox Christianity which narrowly defines itself by the standard set at the Council of Nicea in 325 c.e. We'll call this self-identifying section of the Christian religion as the Circle set.
Then, there is sectarian Christianity which diverges from Orthodox Christianity by narrowly selecting other self-identifications. We'll call these groups of self-identifying Christians as the Triangle set.
These oppositional groups both call themselves CHRISTIANS.

you've missed one of them (and it does not limit the dimension of the understanding to those you've mentioned) to get every point for all angles possible
so here it is : Then there is a gnostic christian view which would look like a sphere where the understanding takes into consideration everything from it's center to the entire sphere volume (that you can compare to its capacity) ... that's an open philosophy and you can go as far as you want from whatever angle ... no limit but a central point.

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Oh crap,....reading What does the Bible Really Teach? can't stomach it

by *jeremiah* in

so my mom gave my sister in law the "what does the bible really teach?

" filth and i'm trying to read it.

my sil (never a jw) wants me to help her in some kind of reply to my mom.

RAF

If I do remember well that's (showing the out of context habit of the WTBS - in the reasoning book) which catch one of my sisters attention ... (since she wasn't interested in any JW victime story and couldn't get the wrong part of the doctrine) ... She is not out yet (I wonder why) but that's about 8 months (and it allowed me to go further on it all) and now she do not feel to say amen to whatever their books and elders do tell/order her ... which is a BIG step.

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Men's intuition....please read the womens intuition post first..thanks

by ninja in

i have always said as men we down play our intuition, when we should rely on it more.

words i should have lived by........i was dating a woman one time....i was getting bad vibes...something was amiss....i should have known something was up when there was another man in her bed and 2 children watching telly in the living room...the subtle signs...also the wedding ring on her finger and photos of the family on the mantle piece were telling me something was not quite right...but what?

..i couldnt quite put my finger on it...but!!!

RAF

That's what intuition is, subconscious thoughts
humm those subconscious thoughts... are based on experience and incoherence (or paranoid feelings)
but to get back to this subject since it's about joking : If you live me at the fire station ... I'll ... well ... I'd rather be single !!! So I'd rather stay single till the firemen ball ... LOL

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Oh crap,....reading What does the Bible Really Teach? can't stomach it

by *jeremiah* in

so my mom gave my sister in law the "what does the bible really teach?

" filth and i'm trying to read it.

my sil (never a jw) wants me to help her in some kind of reply to my mom.

RAF

If she only wants to read WTBS materiel, show her the point you've made here (the out of context stuff to begin with) ...

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

RAF

Do most Christians worship the Father like Jesus did, or do they almost exclusively worship Jesus?
Yadda, Most Christians believe Jesus IS GOD

yep ... and it's not a detail (it's like the king told you, my son is now the king ... but you keep on looking at the son like the prince).

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Christians could and did. Can JWs? Do they?

by ANewLeif in

there are many things the bible says christians could do and things the bible describes christians doing that, according to their doctrine, jws can't do.. christians could talk directly to jesus.

(acts 7:54-60; acts 9:3-16) can you?

christians could decide for themselves which days they chose to observe without any fear of religious retribution.

RAF

JC8224 : And to touch on it once again, why are you so stuck on the fact that they don't pray to Jesus? GOD is the creator and the almighty and the one who gives life and death ... Not JESUS!

Ooops that's not really what the bible is saying !!!
without Christ (= maturity to me) nothing would have come to life ... / and without Christ (= still maturity) we are in trouble and are keeping on leading whatever is really good, to death.

But maybe when talking about Christianity we do forget about separating the OT and the NT (that's a also one of the JW teaching trouble) Christ is God's posterity ... so if any stick to what is God (= everything by essence to me / including the troubles related to everyonces free will and by then their own egos) ... any do not really understand what means Christ (to me = God's own maturity / the lord in God - wich actually deserves the title of Lord).

That's why Christ's message is very simple (nothing to be confused about) / that's why he had to be presented/personified as the unic son of God (the posterity) and a son of man (an example for us) ... So if any absolutely wants to go farest than the message in forgeting about what Christ really means ... This one is a lost sheep. (at everybody's possible human cost - and for the JW's like for instance suicides for those who are exausted or those who followed the JW teaching about the blood issu )
But it's not the end anyway ... They still have eyes, ears and a brain to get the point at some point (bad fruits = bad fruits / wrong doctrine = wrong doctrine but about this part you have to meditate about it without having any autority but Christ himself or itself = maturity).