I don't know for real, I guess that again it's something that anyone can do and feel in lots of differents ways (all together or only one) depending on how and what any feel about the matter and they're potential hability /natural gifts to be able to accomplish themself as a christian (if we are talking about christianity) ... It looks like in being different to be balanced (for our own needs - to be able to stand and support others needs with detachement and without frustration) we probably don't need the exact same thing and won't act and react the exact same ways regarding the same matter ... that's why I did adhere to Christ doctrine for being based on only one principle ... not that it makes things easier to accomplish ourself but at least easier to get a clue about what's really important when there is something important to pay attention to around us to far from us ... I mean, we won't save the world (that's not an individual job - not even a material job - but a spiritual job - most related to mentality) but we can bring a lot with the little that we are able to give/share and protect.
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A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
by Terry inon what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
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Right ... (about the fact that I've took "this" from a statement ... not regarding to what you were talking about) note that I didn't said I was talking about the subject ... And it doesn't matter ... Why ? because your statement is a sophismregarding to what is a "potential" ... so simply put (regarding to any topic) : whenever you feel like to play a REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM game why doing it with an ABSURD statements (wish doesn't look like, but is absurd/false regarding to the statement itself) ?
And if I jumped on it (that's a way to put it) ... it is just because most of the time when I'm reading you that's what I read : lots of sophisms ... So once in while I guess I feel like to put the finger on it (not everytime when I read those stuffs, it would be tiring) so don't worry I won't spoil your playground very often.
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A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
by Terry inon what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
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So what do you tell us exactly ? That you'd rather like probalitity than potentiality or what ... it makes you feel more confortable ... So what ? That's your way to deal with the unknown ... your choice .. Does that eliminate any potential ??? NO ... You can twiste your understanding and explanations the way you want (potentially thats not about luck that's a potential and it doesn't have to be a good thing) but you won't replace the definition of potential or any potential
There dictionnary links : just for you to realise that potential is not about luck (something inerent for instance is not related to luck since you like to relate them)
For potential :
http://www.answers.com/potential
so then you'll see the difference with probabilty :
Anyway you seems to like the potential of using sophisms : http://www.answers.com/sophism
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A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
by Terry inon what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
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Sorry but I didn't feel like to read the whole thread ... was just curious and fell on this :
What has never lived does not exist. What does not exist cannot die.
You are confusing a "potentiality" with an actuality.How can you say something like that ? ... Do you know what potential means exactly ? potentiality can't be opposed to actuality (it just can't or that would means that from actuality we know what's potential ... and we can't have any global idea about that for good .. do we ?).
A POTENTIAL floats beyond real world context.
An ACTUAL is rooted in reality.
A POTENTIAL can be force-fitted into any generality or imagined scenario to build an argument and make it appear logical.
An ACTUAL is what really happens.
Over rationalising doesn't help Terry ... are you comparing Actual Reality with any Potential (your examples only talks about probability) Probability is not synonym to Potential (probability is about what we know about to calculate or extrapolate from its a known potential not the unknow potential) ... now you can tell me that I can't talk about what I don't know as potential ... so how can you about what is not potential ? ... have science discorver everything yet for instance ? NO (I guess I can be quite sure about that).
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A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
by Terry inon what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
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Sorry but I didn't feel like to read the whole thread ... was just curious and fell on this :
What has never lived does not exist. What does not exist cannot die.
You are confusing a "potentiality" with an actuality.How can you say something like that ? ... Do you know what potential means exactly ? potentiality can't be opposed to actuality (it just can't or that would means that from actuality we know what's potential ... and we can't have any global idea about that for good .. do we ?).
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HAPPY 1ST ANNIVERSARY, XENA & LITTLE TOE!!!
by cruzanheart intoday is their first wedding anniversary.
yes, a year ago we were at renfest, with butterflies hovering and a slight sprinkle of rain, watching as xena and little toe were married.
it was beautiful and i hope they are having a wonderful anniversary!.
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happy, happy, happy anniversary !!!
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Are Believers Truly Humble?
by serotonin_wraith inif you are non religious, do you still feel those with religion show a higher level of humility than others in society?.
on the face of it, i feel most would answer in the affirmative.. but breaking it down, i find it harder and harder to accept.
in fact, i'd call it the opposite of humility.
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Are Believers Truly Humble?
Believers in what ?
- I guess that anyone who believes/have face in the power/benefit of humility is certainely strong enough to be humble as well as he can fail since perfection is not given (replace humility by whatever)
(sorry but I just can put it that way since otherwise we don't really know what we are talking about, cause when we talk about God it depends then on who you you are talking to = what he does believe about IT)
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My tomb stone
by mouthy inthursday i bought my stone.
they lay it in 6 weeks.
cost me $1 thousand 500 dollars.
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Hey MOUTHY ??? Still here ???
- if yes : GOOD I guess that there must be a reason ... And I'm not the one who's gonna cry about it !!!
- If no : rest in peace ... I'm coming
(I might be there before you BTW ... Who knows ?)
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Where do you start to find the answers to God?
by Hope4Others ini thought i have relatively had everything figured out, like life, death, god does he exist or does he not.
is the bible make believe?.
can we really be sure that it is inspired, after all we were not around to see the process being done.
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Before to ask if God does exist or not, what do each of us call God exactly? Define it first …
- A Spirit
- The essence of everything means more than a spirit but still a spirit by essence all together
- A concept ...
What is it exactly or totally ?
So a lot a religion do define God as a spirit (almost like someone = a person) that looks sooooooooooo tiny regarding to the subject of God (first of ; for what it means as a word when we use it even not religiously, second of ; for what it means as a spirit) but why not? If for instance God is all, it is at least a bit of this and a bit of that and also this (so then it wouldn't be totally false but just a limited understanding of the matter if it is everything for instance).
When I began to study the bible by myself it was actually to find all arguments I could to prove to my family that it was pure junk even insanity to be clear on my purpose!
But still to do this job and do it well, I still needed to be objective (otherwise better not even try – an argument have to stand against any others to be relevant).
So to began the first thing I had to do was to forget about every/any postulate(s) to re-think everything from the start in only keeping one question in mind … Does this have anything to do with reality in not forgetting that reality have something to do with sincerity because in this matter we are talking about spirituality (so it is not only about what we can see, it mainly about what we can feel).
Also it feels comfortable (and right to me) to stay vague on specific matters because when you have to deal with symbolisms from an other age, things can be way less closer to our primal understanding that it looks like at first. For instance what means exactly to be saved as a spirit? When we at least have the idea, that a spirit do not have a body and by then can be spread in multiple peaces but still be one through all.
In this story we have GOD (which is in all Eph 4:6) and two opposites it’s son (Christ) and its opponent (Satan).
- You can see both as spirits by essence so which can be spread in multiple peaces but still be one through all (so that would be about reality – what it can be)
- But you can also see it in an other way and all together by God being all like its potential has 2 polarities, one which unite/build to everything and the other which divide/destroy/ everything.
So God in being everything divided/shared in everything – for each of us individually the potential to destroy takes advantages if we do not pay attention/have faith to/in the potential to build.
What this book is saying (to me), is that this potential is and will always be stronger by nature just because, by nature God’s essence (so by then its spirit) which is shared in everything did not share to destroy (it would be destroying irself) but to build – so the potential to destroy in God is weaker (as weak as anyone of us don’t feel to die as long as we know that we have to potential to live)
That's what is symbolised as his son (the product of the fertility of it's spirit) is actually its consciousness (that's what this verse is saying John 1:1-5 ... without the consciousness there is nothing you are aware of ... when in coma for instance you are alive still you can't use your potential) the consciousness is the begining of everything (so this is again a spiritual and not material matter).
Each of us individually as a spirit (a human with a spirit with free will) have the choice to be connected = stay united to the all for the good of all or disconnected = divided our self to the all for the good of our own self … but what are we without all NOTHING … That’s the beginning ofdeath = the VANITY of the cult of the EGO.
Whatever subject you take for instance : paradise versus hell ... you can see it in so many ways and come up with a so many different interpretations regarding to the context and what it does or not symbolised according to you.
So when you think : what looks like real? if it is or becomes incoherent you still have to find out what looks sincere.
Ok now just to go futher on the subject since we all have been embarrassaded in a way or an other by the JW religion : this is something I understood from the bible which for instance actually really talks against the JW teaching … what does tell me the OT regarding to the NT ?
Well the OT is a demonstration of the failure of the method which consist to rule by laws in protecting (even overprotecting) or punishing (even over punishing) it doesn’t lead anywhere good but (if any) a specific purpose and for this specific purpose you have to forget about even the main principle (fundamental law) of God (love others as yourself) just to lead to a particular purpose (this method doesn't lead to justice and wisdom in every matter) the consciousness of a spirit do not grow up this way (obeying is NOT suscribing to and fearing something is NOT loving the thing in question)
Then the NT = Christ’s Gospel is a call to not act without proper judgement … and it says that we can do it from one and only principle “love others as yourself” (forget about you if necessary to be objective about others and also about yourself) look for justice which have everything to do with balance.
And when I've got this, there was no doubt at all (just from that) that the JW doctrine (obey to laws no matter what) and practices (doing too much, in many matters which doesn’t lead to pure love = the AGAPE one = CHARITY which have a lot to do with understanding/compassion/respect for what they are and even for what they are not) - doesn’t lead anywhere good.
Regarding the all thing : Christianism is not a religion (a doctrine is at first globally based on a phylosophy).
Oh my this is too long ... enough !
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If you believe in nothing, then how do you know JW's are wrong?
by slimboyfat inmany who leave the witnesses go on to affirm other recognisable sets of beliefs.
some become christians of various sorts, others tend toward patriotism as a kind of rejection of the anti-patriotic stance of the watchtower, while yet more simply affirm in general the secular values of mainstream society.
do you believe jehovah's witnesses are wrong?
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Whatever you believe or not when it's about Christianism :
Christians (Christ disciples = students) only have one real task (working on themself) : to make sure that in whatever they do they really adhere to the main principle (= the only fondamentale law) love others as yourself. Therefore whatever they choose, have to be mainprincipleproof (.. O_O ... I mean like bulletproof) at least they have to want it - Roman 7 (not being hypocrites about their choices/reasons to do or not doing wathever. that's why 1 Cor 10 : 23-24 (there's no law against wathever) Galate 2:4-5 (there is only one principle for everything)
So it is not a religion matter (not really related to God in a litteral sens but spiritual sens : God is love but not the love which means attachement to whatever but God as AGAPE means inconditional love witch actually means not conditionned by any Ego to be able to be objective on any matter weither we are concerned or not).So when it is said love other as yourself as your God to resume (what's actually your spriritual origine - the reason why you do exist = Love the AGAGE one witch actually means CHARITY Ephesian 4:6 that's what's God did sharing ITSELF)
The god of someone is what he is really attached to, that's is what will lead all his actions and reactions. So regarding the JW doctrine ... IT DOESN'T MATCHCHRISTIANLY... (we know why and mainly because what you actually focus on as a JW is to be saved - of what that's an other question - but they are attached to THEIR lifenot to love (the AGAPE one).