In a word, growth. It may not be evident at first, but my guess is with a lot of people the process starts when they start to outgrow the average JW mentally and emotionally - even spiritually. The same stagnant crap just does not work anymore.
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What really made you exit the Jw's
by KAYTEE ini know its a question that has been asked a thousand times, but what really made you exit the jws .. for instance, my wife and i, having found out about the u.n., 607bce, failed prophecies etc.
gave all this information to my wifes brother, along with many so called friends.
we came out but the brother and friends stayed in.. the only reasoning i can put on it, is that we made an effort to find out for ourselves what was the real truth, the others were told and given written evidence - but still didnt make a decision.
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The need for a GB or FD slave?
by avidbiblereader inthe whole teaching of needing a fd slave hangs on one scripture that really isn't that clear; however in looking at the scriptures how would you/they explain the texts below from the bible, whether they would classify you as a domestic or fellow anointed or other sheep?
hebrews 8:10-12 .
10for this is the covenant that i shall covenant with the house of israel after those days, says jehovah.
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some-xjw-guy
By the way, clearly many will see the possibility of a charismatic leader in this picture, which of course is quite true in a sense. But whether someone abuses that relationship is a different matter, as with a relationship with any kind of intimacy I suppose.
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The need for a GB or FD slave?
by avidbiblereader inthe whole teaching of needing a fd slave hangs on one scripture that really isn't that clear; however in looking at the scriptures how would you/they explain the texts below from the bible, whether they would classify you as a domestic or fellow anointed or other sheep?
hebrews 8:10-12 .
10for this is the covenant that i shall covenant with the house of israel after those days, says jehovah.
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some-xjw-guy
People seem to have forgotten that spirituality is a natural thing, this appears particularly prevalent in the Christian tradition. (but to be fair, it may very well be because of the sheer number of people involved)
What I've found is there is a clear difference between a religious leader and a spiritual leader, the former adheres to a belief system (even if it is someone that has some influence in its structure) and the latter is simply a living example, and the teachings flow out of the way they live their life, not the other way around. This is someone who doesn't try to gain followers but they find him or her, and they are not so much attracted by the teachings but rather by the way it's presented, since that is just another reflection of who they are. From this perspective, analysis of the belief structure is just rather mechanical and clumsy. One might find that the spiritual teacher in fact "agrees" with a lot of the teachings, but it isn't a result of collecting ideas and trying to fit them into a logical structure - it is just naturally true for them.
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Are You Still Very Rules Oriented???
by minimus injws must live by the rules--------or else!
now we are pretty much a free people.
are you liberal or moderate or more conservative in your view?
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some-xjw-guy
Lets qualify though - its just people who are free from the JW mindset. Beyond that theres also rules obeyed by the masses that serve no purpose beyond keeping people obedient, and one may or may not be free from those (possibly unwritten) rules. In fact some people think its a good thing, by following certain rules they have their act together. Rather than looking at it as a strict yes or no question, I tend to operate on the basis of relating with others and respecting them so that it's always dependent on the situation. I have very little respect for hard and fast rules. Sure some things I may agree with on a consistent basis, but it's not just because it's a rule. That's not a reason for anything.
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Why do witnesses tell others how to live their lives, yet their own homes..
by The Dragon inare in turmoil?.
i have been watching my witness mother refuse to confront her many problems with my father and brothers...instead running out at every opportunity to knock on her nieghbor's doors and tell them how some men in new york think they should be living their lives and running their household, calling it the "truth"...all while anyone who knows her knows what a mess her home life is.. .
for one i think she should be a bit more selective on what she defines as truth..for two i don't think she can lead by example only empty hypocritical words.. .
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Its nothing new though, someone else pointed out its this discrepancy between the idea and the practice in the "if its really the end, where are they" thread. If you look at it close enough thats how most people move through life these days - you have a mental theoretical structure and then you try to follow that. This we see as normal but it's already a step removed from being completely coherent that the mind and action is one. But in the case of backseat drivers, religious or otherwise the action part is never even addressed. Not only is it "all theory" but the action is supposed to be done by others, the person's job appears to be telling other people what to do.
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If it really is the end, WHERE ARE THEY?
by Do Not Call inif it's true that the end is so close (matt.
24 fulfilled etc.
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Also there's just the question of how convinced are you that it's an urgent time of the end, I mean REALLY? As convinced as if someone had a seizure right in front of your eyes?
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If it really is the end, WHERE ARE THEY?
by Do Not Call inif it's true that the end is so close (matt.
24 fulfilled etc.
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Yes, but if you really cared about something you wouldn't be so distracted that you let years go by without addressing it, would you? I agree that generally that's just the way people are, to some extent it is just human nature - losing contact with friends or whatever. But without getting caught up in some feeling for them as a group (I am sure some individuals do care more than others) the fact remains that there is a lack of extraordinary love which would go with extraordinary times. I don't think that means they are bad people, I just don't think that means they are any better than the average Joe.
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Remember the "cliques" at the KH?
by new boy init really is amazing how many there are in every congregation of 100-120 people!.
i was in a the " father is dfed (or unbelieving mate) but the mom and kids are in" clique.
that is a real fun one............not!.........got into the "full time service or the rest of you are not doing enough" clique.
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some-xjw-guy
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Remember congregation summer picnics? (and other ramblings)
by WingCommander ina thread on the last page made me remember something from my early childhood.
remember congregation picnics and other outings?
i remember when i was little, probably only 4 - 5 years old; there was a huge congregation picnic at a park with food, games, etc.
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some-xjw-guy
To be fair and more inclusive, that also describes the meetings pretty well - except there is just no social factor - but just as much idiocy.
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Why do witnesses tell others how to live their lives, yet their own homes..
by The Dragon inare in turmoil?.
i have been watching my witness mother refuse to confront her many problems with my father and brothers...instead running out at every opportunity to knock on her nieghbor's doors and tell them how some men in new york think they should be living their lives and running their household, calling it the "truth"...all while anyone who knows her knows what a mess her home life is.. .
for one i think she should be a bit more selective on what she defines as truth..for two i don't think she can lead by example only empty hypocritical words.. .
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some-xjw-guy
As with a lot of things, people don't "walk the walk" - and religion is a great example. In fact, it could be argued that the nature of religion is just a set of beliefs, so it is more likely to happen. Someone may decide to practice what they preach, but belief in itself doesn't mean any of it affects one's life.