Posts by IsaacJS2

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Where did the WTS condemn the Catholics for pedophilia?

by AK - Jeff in

i did a search of the publications - perhaps i used the wrong words, though i thought i used the correct combinations.

i can find plenty of condemnation of catholic church, but nothing that specifically condemns the catholic church for the pedophilia issues within.

i was sure that they had done so over the years - but was i just reading my jw taught judgementalism into articles that weren't specific?.

IsaacJS2

There's an article in the Dec 1st 1994 WT that goes one better. They are talking about atheism and make the usual assumptions about athiests. Then they go so far as to cite pedophelia in "other churches" (they don't say Roman Catholic specifically) as a reason for atheism (???) because these churches deny God's moral standards. They accuse churches that have these problems of being atheistic because they deny God's authority. (Actually, we atheists are simply unconvinced that God exists, but that's another discussion) That's a pretty good quote to have handy since they are basically denouncing themselves. You can find it in the WT CD.

IsaacJ

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I reckon getting promoted in the "truth" means you are more likely to leave

by mtsgrad in

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i reckon getting promoted in the "truth" means you are more likely to leave.. every mts and gilead class i have heard of have had people leave the truth.

is that just my opinion, or have you noticed that tooooo?.

mtsgrad.

IsaacJS2

I've often wondered how many WT authority figures really believe what they read and say on the Society's behalf. There were times I suspected some of my own Elders of not really believing in the Society as the one, true religion. They were certainly guilty of cherry picking the things they wanted to hear from the lessons and just shrugging off the rest. That's not so unusual from what I've heard in here and elsewhere.

Not to say that they were "hidden apostates" or anything--far from it. I think some of the Elders in my congregation just liked the perks of being an Elder.

IsaacJ

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God could NEVER convince me he exists. Weird...

by AlmostAtheist in

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it just dawned on me, and i'm really a little put out over it.

i was reading alanf's comments about vinny and his willingness to sacrifice children if god told him to.

alan suggested any fundamentalist christian should agree he would, and vinny did in fact agree.

IsaacJS2

I've had some similar idea to this. What makes God--if I'm wrong and he exists--any different than an alien that is infinitely more advanced than we are? If God popped in one day and said, "What up?" how would you know it was him? A sufficiently advanced race might be able to perform any and every miracle we could think to ask from God as proof. So how would you know it was God and not some alien?

Even if God stepped in and stopped the aliens from impersonaing him, how would we know it wasn't an even more powerful bunch of aliens that intervened?

IsaacJ

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Does Being A Jehovahs Witness Lead To Disorders?

by The wanderer in

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does being a jehovahs witness lead to disorders?the life of being one of jehovahs witnesses was a challenging one at best .

and an agonizing one at worst.

i recall the days of my black depression .

IsaacJS2

I think its partly responsible for my sexual deviancy. From the first time I heard the word fornication at age 4 I was obsessed. Looking forward to menopause or death to interupt this life long addiction.

Crumpet=cool.

(You're sort of kidding here, right?)

IsaacJ

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When a DFed anointed one get reinstated..............what happens ??????

by vitty in

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i have just found out that an appointed member of a congregation i know has been dfed for drinking, this person has had a problem for years but her daughter dobbed her in................anyway i was wondering what happens if she gets reinstated, will she still be one of the anointed or has she lost her crown.

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IsaacJS2

I'd rather see something more current on that. I was told they would not be anointed after "falling away" back in the 90s, but that QFR is from the 70s. You know the Society is run by a bunch of flip floppers.

IsaacJ

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Does Being A Jehovahs Witness Lead To Disorders?

by The wanderer in

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does being a jehovahs witness lead to disorders?the life of being one of jehovahs witnesses was a challenging one at best .

and an agonizing one at worst.

i recall the days of my black depression .

IsaacJS2

I suspect that the Society does tend to have some harmful sideffects on people. My wife and many in her family have a list or problems. (Yippee for me...) She and her parents are all obsessive compulsive, depressive personalities. Most of the women in her family seem to have major control issues. Some express it passive aggressively, others more openly. I've noticed that all of them seem to feel entitled to tell my wife what to do and to pressure me into falling in line with things she does on a whim. The men tend to shirk responsibilities within the family, focussing on work and hobbies while leaving the kids and everything like that for the women folk to do. I think they're living in the 50s or something. They tend to get strangely "Elder-like" about some issues, but more often tend to avoid dealing with most things, leaving their wives to sort things out behind their backs.

They aren't the only families that are like this, just the examples I know best. There is a pretty infamous quote that keeps popping up on anti-Witness sites where a mental health professional specifically sites JWs as having more mental problems than other groups on average. I'd really love for someone to do an actual study on this, or to gather a list or professional opinions about it. In the meantime, my experiences suggest they do have more emotional/mental problems.

IsaacJ

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When a DFed anointed one get reinstated..............what happens ??????

by vitty in

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i have just found out that an appointed member of a congregation i know has been dfed for drinking, this person has had a problem for years but her daughter dobbed her in................anyway i was wondering what happens if she gets reinstated, will she still be one of the anointed or has she lost her crown.

.

IsaacJS2

Others may have a different (or more current?) answer, but I was always told that they would return as members of the Great Crowd. That is, once you've been Anointed and then kicked out, you can't be anointed again. I was also told that the Anointed are truly immortal when they ascend into Heaven, that Jehovah promises never to destroy them for any reason--unlike members of the Great Crowd. It is assumed that members of the Anointed are people who will never disobey Jehovah, so he is putting so much faith in them that he makes this promise.

I guess getting DFed would be a sign that Jehovah can't trust you after all. Oops.

You'd think he would check that in advance before selecting them for true immortality in the first place, but that's just me being silly. Guess Satan wasn't enough of a rebel for the big guy, he's just aching to create a more long term foe.

Or the whole thing is crap and the WT made it up.

IsaacJ

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DO NOT RING MY DOORBELL AT 8AM (real "Knocking" video????)

by Tatiana in

australian filmmaker john safran is so fed up with mormons ringing his doorbell early in the morning that he flies to salt lake city, utah and tries to convert mormons to atheism.

needless to say, the locals were not pleased.

http://www.thehumorarchives.com/joke/door_to_door_atheists.

IsaacJS2

BEHOLD! Whatever ye shall ask for, YouTube shall answer:

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=John%20Safran&search=Search

IsaacJ

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J.W. DOCUMENTARY TONIGHT (SUNDAY) 10 P.M.

by hubert in

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there is a documentary tonight at 10 p.m. eastern time, on "independent lens", cable channel 21 on cox cable in new england.

(also called...pbs, wgbx channel 44).

it's titled..."members of jehovah's witnesses" and the info says.."two families are practicing members of jehovah witnesses".. i will tape it, and critique it on this thread after i review it.

IsaacJS2

It doesn't look like DirecTV's PBS station carries it. :-( No Independant Lens where I am tonight.

But the Knocking documentary comes on this Wednesday.

IsaacJ

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Do we have an idiot running the United States?

by jaguarbass in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbpvrb5km.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moutuefquq4.

is it possible that this guy doesnt know that bin laden is in afghanistan?.

IsaacJS2

My personal theory is that he is an idiot as well as a stubborn, self righteous jackass. He's incompetent, just like a lot of supervisors I have known. People like him surround themselves with others who are equally incompetent. Hiring better people means exposing himself to the fact that he's useless day after day, year after year, so it's easier to surround himself with yes-men who are merely his equals. He's too insecure to put people who are truly more able in positions of power because he'll know that this person should probably have his job. He can't deal with that. Too bad.

He is guilty of one of the worst evils--the evil of small mindedness. The cumulative effect of this evil is far greater than it might at first appear.

Can't wait to see who they foist on us next.

IsaacJ