Posts by glenster

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Alvin Lee from Ten Years After, Woodstock fame passes

by designs in

just 68, he and the band lit up woodstock with i'm going home, one of the great songs to drive across the desert at sunrise.

i'd love to change the world had great vision and social commentary.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzruqatucpu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw5m5xljdci.

glenster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx9xxlRLhIY

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The Euthyphro dilemma destroys belief that the Bible is inerrant

by yadda yadda 2 in

divine command theory allows christians to rationalise that unconscionable actions caused or commanded by the biblical god are morally justifiable.

for example, god commands the genocidal killing of whole national groups such as the amalekites, including killing all the children (1 samuel 15).. but by taking the side of the euthyphro dilemma that there is an objective, anterior morality that even god is subject to, one is forced to concede that such atrocities could not have been commanded or sanctioned by a perfectly moral god.

therefore, any passages of scripture where morally unacceptable actions are attributed to god in ancient scripture cannot be believed.

glenster

"Glenstar, I am not claiming that the Euthyphro dilemma proves God's existence
or not;"

I noticed that I didn't have to bother with that aspect when I looked at it
later but it was too late to edit.

I just mean basically there isn't a moral obligation to not believe in God.
Simply, it depends what stipulations you add, including regard of the OT, and if
you concede prerogative can include that He'd be above strictly interpersonal
human concerns.

As far as death goes, the concept already has everyone die of all ages, in-
nocent or guilty, as does life generally (as the prerogative of people accepts
the taking of the life of animals), not just death of ones guilty on interper-
sonal human terms or it's capricious. So as nasty as the nastiest conservative
interpretations of OT examples may seem (such as regarding children in holy
war), the conservative interpretation can accept it.

"theodicy": the easiest solution to me is to reject "all-beneficence" as men-
tioned above. It's not difficult scripturally since it could never have been a
blanket rule but a reference to whatever good regarding people as interpreted.

(PS: "glenstar"? lol. The only other one who called me that was larsinger.)

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The Euthyphro dilemma destroys belief that the Bible is inerrant

by yadda yadda 2 in

divine command theory allows christians to rationalise that unconscionable actions caused or commanded by the biblical god are morally justifiable.

for example, god commands the genocidal killing of whole national groups such as the amalekites, including killing all the children (1 samuel 15).. but by taking the side of the euthyphro dilemma that there is an objective, anterior morality that even god is subject to, one is forced to concede that such atrocities could not have been commanded or sanctioned by a perfectly moral god.

therefore, any passages of scripture where morally unacceptable actions are attributed to god in ancient scripture cannot be believed.

glenster

The Euthyphro dilemma involves wondering if God is considered all good and
just from the human perspective or because He declares it regardless.

The idea of God and justice is God's prerogative. He owns it all and can do
what he wants with it, including giving people whatever length of life, if any,
and quality of life. People are lesser beings to God similar to animals being
lesser beings than people but moreso. God has the prerogative to take human
life, or have it taken, as people generally assume the prerogative to take ani-
mal life, or use food or clothes from those who did, without judging those who
do as immoral. A person has the choice to abide or not.

To be unethical from human standards is to overindulge the self at another's
unnecessary hurt or expense, unfair regard or treatment, as by lying, stealing,
murder, bigotry, etc.

If He were all-beneficent from the human perspective, we'd all live in heaven-
ly circumstances forever and we don't. The choice to believe in Him or not is
analagous to the choice to believe in life or not, grateful for the chance at
life and what good is in it. Afterlife can be a sweetener on the deal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma

OT examples: depends on whether a conservative or liberal interpretation is
used. I'd recommend the liberal stances (regard of the OT, evolution, LGBT
people, separation of church and state short of proof of a God that wants
different, etc.) which should cover most objections.

The Euthyphro dilemma doesn't prove God doesn't exist since the above is
assumed for an Abrahamic God--God isn't all-beneficent from the human perspec-
tive or restricted to interpersonal human standards of prerogative--and the
basic God concept can adapt to new information and liberal stances when adding
specifics beyond that.

The Euthyphro dilemma doesn't prove God doesn't exist more basically because
the most basic concept doesn't come with a name, interventions, or character
determinants. It depends what specifics you add.

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Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

by Terry in

glibness/superficial charmgrandiose sense of self-worthpathological lyingconning/manipulativelack of remorse or guiltshallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)callousness; lack of empathyfailure to accept responsibility for own actionsthe hare psychopathy checklist-revised by robert d. hare, 1991. multi-health systems, 908 niagara falls blvd, north tonawanda, new york, usa, 14120-2060. psycopaths do not feel empathy but learn to imitate those who do.

psychopaths don't even understand charity.. .

i was thinking today how much psycopathy is reflected in the governing body leadership and especially manifested in policy.. jehovah's witnesses are not led by people devoted to charity, benevolence, outreach or social provision for those less fortunate which.

glenster

Crime leaders are sociopaths but not psychopaths if you add the stipulation
that the psychopath is incapable of being otherwise so not culpable, that
they're not making a choice but suffering from a condition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

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For anyone unsure as to whether JW's are a cult..please read...

by lostinnj83 in

if the informaiton i am posting is redundant or has been posted, please forgive me.. i know we are all at different stages of this journey.

for me i am still "in" but working towards being out and leaving.

any one in this position or who has been here knows how diffucult of a time this can be.

glenster

If your leaders' substantiation for exclusiveness (such as being the leader of
a literal 144,000) is like the radio receiver in Popoff's ear, and they require
needless harm (such as refusal of life sustaining medical care), you may be in a
cult.

"Helter Skelter," 1976
1 hr., 53 min., 30 sec.: Revelation chapter 9
1 hr., 58 min., 50 sec.: 144,000--the Manson family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8IaePIyQww
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_%28Manson_scenario%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_%281976_film%29

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TITANIC II Set to Sail in 2016

by Quendi in

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glenster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehw1twFDDg0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O83tJUyxcrQ
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/27/travel/titanic-2-to-sail/?hpt=tr_c2
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/titanic-ii-interior-plans-revealed/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replica_Titanic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II

2

samuel l jackson ftw

by cptkirk in

if you are sensitive to language probably don't want to watch this.

i haven't laughed like this in a while, "this is a tassty burger", "i do love the taste of a good burger".

even as well known as jackson is, he is still underrated.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xowyb7zby1s.

glenster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdYM0ZzOEI

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Dr. Daniel Amen, Studies in mental health and brain trauma

by designs in

have you followed dr. amen's research.

very interesting approach to the diagnosis and treatment for all manner of brain functions.

see his gallery of brain scans- spect on the amenclinic site.. one of his 'warnings' to young women is- avoid soccer, women's intellingence is concentrated in the frontal lobe, exactly where the head butting occurs.. check out two of his web sites: www.amenclinics.com www.dr-amen.com .

glenster

You might like this:
"The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" by Oliver Sacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife_for_a_Hat
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-june-29-2009/oliver-sacks

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Watchtowerinvestigation.com

by mouthy in

can anyone get this?.

glenster

http://www.watchtowerinvestigation.com/

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Markan priority and the synoptic gospels

by 88JM in

this might be a question for leolaia, but i noticed in researching the gospel of mark this week that the dates the wtbts gives for the writing of the other synoptic gospels does not seem to agree with most new testament scholars.. the all scripture book gives the following dates:.

matthew: writing completed: c. 41 c.e.mark: writing completed: c. 6065 c.e.luke: writing completed: c. 5658 c.e.this would put mark as the last of the three synoptic gospels to be written, and therefore the wtbts does not adhere to the markan priority hypothesis.. wikipedia states that: "the theory of markan priority is today accepted by the majority of new testament scholars".. .

is there a good reason why the wtbts dates the synoptic gospels in that order?how can they date matthew and luke so early?is it merely because the wtbts rejects the possibility of a "q" source, and possibly even the idea of collusion between the writers altogether?or is it because many scholars put the writings of luke and matthew after the destruction of jerusalem, meaning the "prophecies" of destruction became historical accounts of past events by the time they were written?

glenster

You or I see a minority stance--the GB sees an opportunity to feign
exclusiveness. Besides the Insight books, a NWT study Bible might have the
details.