sometimes we waste hours and hours debating a subject like the flood, and the impossible scientific and evolutionary consequences that it entails.
we go into great debates about how all of is is possible, what a "kind" means (species, obviously not)... etc.... but believers will not stop believing... so here is something even a child would think of more logically:if god is all powerful and love why would he have not just made the wicked drop dead, painlessly?
simply, humanly.
PS to my earlier post:
The basic concepts of God and atheism don't come with character determinants,
names for God, interventions, etc. All-beneficence is an added stipulation I
wouldn't recommend: if God were all-beneficent we'd all live in heavenly circum-
stances forever and we don't. Nothing of ethics or the known things prove God
whether God exists or not. Giving the bad things of the world as proof God isn't
is as illogical as giving intelligent design as proof God is.
sometimes we waste hours and hours debating a subject like the flood, and the impossible scientific and evolutionary consequences that it entails.
we go into great debates about how all of is is possible, what a "kind" means (species, obviously not)... etc.... but believers will not stop believing... so here is something even a child would think of more logically:if god is all powerful and love why would he have not just made the wicked drop dead, painlessly?
simply, humanly.
I see no logical impossibility. I make the analogy of believing in God
presiding over life as being like believing in life with its good and bad. If
you can do that, you know how someone can do it. With God you can add a hope for
a nice afterlife as sweetener on the deal.
i notice the sexist language of the watchtower a lot more these days.
is it on the increase or am i simply more tuned into to noticing it now?
for example this statement in the june kingdom ministry:.
Unsurprisingly, the GB has a conservative stance on complimentarianism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uawlirvmytu.
A Stepping-Stone for Oxygen On Earth
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130626153924.htm
how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?
what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?
i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.
Centric intolerance by believers and non-believers has caused the most harm.
Edit > Find > substantiation
http://glenster1.webs.com/basics.htm
(I'm still working on the other pages.)
one of the legends of blues and r&b bobby was born in rosemark tennessee and shortly after his family moved to memphis where his singing career began with local church gospel groups.
after a stint in the army in the early 50s bobby began touring with johhny ace, bb king and junior parker.
bobby sang some of the best blues recorded in the 50s and 60s with i pity the fool, ain't no love in the heart of the city, the much covered farther up the road and the shinning turn on your love light.
i ran across this while i was lookin up a reference from another post.
here's a summary.
july 2013 wt.
MLK, RFK, Stephen Colbert, etc.: liberal.
The GB is conservative with feigned distinctions that can cause needless harm,
such as due to the GB policies on blood and shunning. Worse, they send cus-
tomers through the public for more customers while holding them to overdone
shunning rules to discourage association with those who could expose the con-
trivances used to affect those distinctions. By definition that includes groups
with the purpose of correcting misinformation to stop needless harm.
"people tryyyy, to put us doooown,.
- talking 'bout my overlapping generation".
sorry, i'm feeling a bit silly today.. splash..
worse than being stupid is thinking you are smart while you are stupid.. i should know.. for many years i was a special category of "stupid"; i was jehovah's witness stupid.. .
what does that entail?
listen and i'll tell you.. ___________________________________________________________.
I didn't see mention of the shunning the GB imposes on followers who persist
in criticizing any of the 12 or so distinctive GB policies. I was stumped at
first when I realized the JWs who came to my place didn't double check the
distinctive GB claims at the library, and the leader of the group wouldn't even
look at the research material I gathered about them, till afterward when I
learned the GB policy to keep their customers afraid of being shunned by friends
and family.
Discouraging higher ed goes back to Russell and Rutherford, even before the
harsh shunning policies, for the same reason. Knowing they were sending follow-
ers door to door the leaders took care to discourage higher ed. Early on, Rus-
sell encouraged friends to shun Marie, and Rutherford encouraged followers to
shun Walter F. Salter. As the group grew in size and controversy the followers
were required to abide by general policy to shun those who caught on to the
leaders and complained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Franklin_Rutherford#Doctrinal_changes
I accept a choice about basic faith understood as such but I draw the line at
misinformation and harm. Anyone might be fooled by Popoff's radio receiver gim-
mick (GB blood policy, etc.), meant to affect distinction, into throwing away
life saving meds (refusing medical treatment of blood/major blood products). I
recommend holding up the "radio receivers," always there for GB claims of dis-
tinction, for a secular audience of believers and non-believers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
The followers are victims, sometimes of the shunning policy, so I don't feel
like further victimizing them and calling them stupid, which might be taken for
a cranky editorial from any of the stances. I'd rather hold up the radio re-
ceivers and emphasize that it's all the more apparent that the GB uses them in
how they do all they can to keep their customers in the dark about them.
stupid people of earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhvdmhrws1o.
bbc documentary - stupidity.
"80 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time" by Jonathan Vankin
Also available in 50 60 70 versions
Preview:
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_80_Greatest_Conspiracies_O.html?id=LytoPRCDFF8C
