Posts by glenster

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MJ's kids spotted entering a KH

by tsar_robles in

jacko's kids: let us prayposted jul 15th 2009 2:40am by tmz staff.

a week after speaking at her father's memorial, paris jackson (left) with older brother michael jr. (right) were spotted entering a jehovah's witness kingdom hall on tuesday.. .

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glenster

The focus should be on a warning about the JWs leaders' misuse of research
material, to make it seem supportive when it isn't, and mischaracterization of
the other side of the case, when making their case for their exclusiveness--that
the best evidence and reasoning supports their 12 or so special rules and show
that they're the only valid spokepeople of a literal 144,000.

They apply their relatively harsh disfellowshipping rules to persistant
critics of the methods they use to affect those stances (not just to persistant
extreme unethical behavior), which partly and importantly is meant to keep
critics who are on to their methods from getting the info through to the rest of
the flock. This can cause the harm of dividing loved ones and friends
unneccesarily. The love between them can create the sort of peer pressure the
leaders intend--to avoid people or articles critical of the JWs leaders to avoid
the chance of being separated from friends and family.

Followers have died in hospitals ("thousands died putting God's word first")
following the JWs leaders rules on the medical use of blood and major blood
fractions, and in Germany and Malawi, etc., following the JWs leaders' expanded
rules about worldliness and politics, too, so it's not harmless.

It's like seeing kids taken to learn the wilder 9 11 conspiracy theories,
holocaust denial, why Uri Geller has a real psychic powers, or that Peter Popoff
really got messages from Jesus to heal people and tell them to throw away life-
sustaining medications. All I can think of is that someone might recommend to
them that checking out the other side of the case would give them a much better
idea of how to decide about it.
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklynindex.htm

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I went on another Bible study yesterday - Any suggestions on what I could have said?

by BonaFide in

i was visiting a friend that is a witness yesterday.

his mother was preparing for the bookstudy with another sister who is very new.

we are on the chapter about blood this week.

glenster

If you want to know what the JWs leaders say vs. the mainstream views, not
just the JWs leaders' stances vs. whatever the JWs leaders would let on that the
mainstream views are, what I have is on pp.11-42 at the next link:
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklyn11.htm

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Blood Fractions - did this allowance start in 1990??

by insearchoftruth in

was getting myself prepared for my wife coming home from the book study this week when blood is going to be discussed.

i have a copy of reasoning from the scriptures and i noticed that it does not mention fractions at all, but it was published in 1985, updated in 1989. was thinking if my wife were to get in a discussion on blood where we could now pull out the reasoning book, possibly even the insight book to see what jehovah says about it, that could at least be a discussion starter on changes in doctrine......even though i know i will get one of two responses...new light, or i am still learning, i am sure you could ask the husband of my study sister about this and he would be very interested to talk to you about it..

glenster

For 1958, I have:

In 1958, "While God did not intend for man to contaminate his blood stream by
vaccines, serums or blood fractions, doing so does not seem to be included in
God's expressed will forbidding blood as food. It would therefore be a matter
of individual judgment whether one accepted such types of medication or not."
("The Watchtower," Sept.15, 1958, p.575)
http://www.ajwrb.org/watchtower/data1.shtml

I have a list of the JWs leaders' rules about it, which shows how their rules
changed back and forth, at the next link.
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklyn11.htm

105

Does the name Jehovah actually exist in the original Hebrew language?

by Yizuman in

source: http://www.familybible.org/articles/messianic/jehovah.htm.

well, then, where did the word jehovah come from?.

thus the artificial name jehovah came into being.. (yahweh, the new encyclopedia britannica, vol.

glenster

Harry Powell (Robert Mitchum) uses it in "The Night of the Hunter" (1955).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7oweZdy0NU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_of_the_Hunter_%28film%29

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Jackson never molested his kids or the kid from "Home alone" and "Webster" so not a pedophile!

by Witness 007 in

his kid friends {now adults} who defended him include culkin from "home alone"...the kid from "webster"...godfather to his kids, the kid from the movie "oliver.

" his own kids, so.....can pedophiles switch it on and off....out of thousand's of kids he met why didn't he molest more including his own kids..

glenster

P.S.: in support of my statements that Michael Jackson could have had better
adult judgment, such as in not checking the credentials of the JWs leaders
closely enough:

In the same way of not checking the credentials of advisors, he was also a
longtime close friend of litigious phony self-proclaimed psychic Uri Geller.
Since Michael's death, Uri says he tried very hard to discourage Michael Jackson
from having kids sleep over in his bed and from overdoing the use of pharmaceu-
ticals.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/22/48hours/main585136.shtml
http://www.gigwise.com/news/48299/Michael-Jackson-And-Uri-Geller-To-End-Credit-Crunch
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/02/uri-geller-exbodyguard-te_n_224634.html
http://www.randi.org/uri/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller

After John Lennon, who said he saw a flying saucer, died, Uri said John gave
him a metal egg that John said came from an alien pilot of the saucer. Actual-
ly, "John probably got it Norden Fjord World University in Skyum Bjerge in Den-
mark, which he and Yoko Ono visited for the Christmas holidays in 1969-70."
http://www.randi.org/jr/051002.html

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Jackson never molested his kids or the kid from "Home alone" and "Webster" so not a pedophile!

by Witness 007 in

his kid friends {now adults} who defended him include culkin from "home alone"...the kid from "webster"...godfather to his kids, the kid from the movie "oliver.

" his own kids, so.....can pedophiles switch it on and off....out of thousand's of kids he met why didn't he molest more including his own kids..

glenster

Maybe to make up for laughing at some Michael Jackson jokes, I want to give a
little more serious response to this.

He seems like a nice bright person generally, but missing a few crucial brain
cells regarding a few things--adult responsibility things. The trend I see
isn't a normal concern for an adult to have a childlike side but, as a psycho-
logist once said, to regress to the lifestyle of a ten year old. I'd add it was
notably one who wanted to run out and play away from any adults.

-If you like kids, there are all kinds of ways you can do that without acting
like a ten year old who wants kids to sleep over without parental supervision.
That's chancy enough for an adult. But if a parent starts complaining about
anything improper and all he has are lies, you don't give him a nickel--he
should owe you money. You don't give him 22 million to "avoid a media circus."
Common sense dictates that if the adult have a cheap way to defend their inno-
cence, like simply pointing out that the kid was mistaken about the adult being
circumcised, it would be dumb to give the parent a huge payment because it would
encourage suspicion of the possibility of some kind of guilt. $22 million could
have been a lot to give to one of his charities instead, too.

But he played it like a rich ten year old who'd rather pay the parent to go
away as if nobody could think of the ten year old as an adult. But he was one
and they knew it, and his bad judgment created a media circus of gossip that's
still dogging him after death. What the jokes have going for them is he was
either guilty or dumb, at least about that.

(I'm not sure of his reasons, but along the same lines of him wanting a
relationship with kids without other adults around, I likewise wonder about him
having his last kid by arranging for a woman to be paid off to conceive it then
disappear. It's pretty basic for a heterosexual adult to want to give a kid a
mommy and daddy to love--lawyers even find ways for separated parents to do
that. But it looks like it not only wasn't important to him to find a woman
who'd help him provide love for the little kid as much as the opposite concerned
him--to go out of his way to avoid having a responsible adult around...again.
Maybe he could have used more of someone like that himself.)

- He illegally used under the counter pharmaceuticals, shirking the supervi-
sion and advice of expert adults, till he died like Elvis. Again, he wasn't
stupid, but who was the adult at the helm in that regard--anybody?

- This is relatively superficial, but he didn't know where to draw the
line at when discreet plastic surgery starts to look obvious--when it stops
going toward looking like Peter Pan and starts making you look like the evil
marionette man from a Batman movie--when it stops causing people to admire your
looks and starts looking like something people would beg you not to do to them.
Stuff started appearing in his chin, his cheeks, the end of his nose fell off,
part of an ear disappeared and showed up where the nose was.... He acted like a
kid getting excited over the big promises of health and looks in the cheesier
cartoon magazine ads without a parent around to tell him not to believe them.
This segues predictably into:

- He spent a lifetime encouraging people to give money to the JWs leaders for their
literature. Extraordinary claims of exclusiveness about common subject matter
should prompt a curious adult to research such claims and hear both sides before
rendering judgment. They may have belief in the possible without entering into
harm from something known to be wrong. The JWs leaders' most famous follower is
unfortunately infamous for acting allergic to adult judgment.

Now I better leave ten message boards alone for making a post so long.

26

The TRUE Clarification on the Trinity Doctrine is

by gubberningbody in

there is no agreed-upon coherent authoritative definition on which all who adhere to the label agree.. .

it's that simple.. .

it's also true that those who feel any of this is important are missing the bigger issues of why any diety would create anything and if it would why it would have seized upon making this particular incarnation a possibility..

glenster

Sorry if I deviated from the initial post with my last one, but subsequent posts
took it in that direction, so I just meant to add some balance to show you can't
decide the issue by those other concerns. People can get too 'centric over about
anything that lets them see themselves in a group.

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The TRUE Clarification on the Trinity Doctrine is

by gubberningbody in

there is no agreed-upon coherent authoritative definition on which all who adhere to the label agree.. .

it's that simple.. .

it's also true that those who feel any of this is important are missing the bigger issues of why any diety would create anything and if it would why it would have seized upon making this particular incarnation a possibility..

glenster

Believers or non-believers being too 'centric about getting along with other
kinds caused the religious wars or religious persecutions, not many those of
either who weren't and don't deserve the ironically 'centric characterization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_persecution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

The JWs leaders, too, with an attempt at exclusiveness like Peter Popoff's,
have led thousands to unneccesary deaths in hospitals, Germany, and Malawi, etc.
They also divided people unneccesarily by applying their relatively strict
disfellowshipping rules to persistant disagreement with any of their distinctive
rules, not just persistant strong unethical behavior, to rid the flock of any
who researched and caught on to their methods.

For leaders who've never run a country and with followers that together would
only make up the population of a large town, the JWs leaders deserve to be
considered of a kind with the others who caused harm and shouldn't have.

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The TRUE Clarification on the Trinity Doctrine is

by gubberningbody in

there is no agreed-upon coherent authoritative definition on which all who adhere to the label agree.. .

it's that simple.. .

it's also true that those who feel any of this is important are missing the bigger issues of why any diety would create anything and if it would why it would have seized upon making this particular incarnation a possibility..

glenster

What I have on the comparison of the views on the related scriptures, and
secondarily related history, and what seems to be better indicated to be the
original intention (mainstream view or JWs leaders' stance--it's the mainstream
view) is on pp.4 and 7 to 10 of "Glenster's Guide to GTJ Brooklyn."
http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklynindex.htm
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/

Basically, I look to see if it's better indicated that the original view was
Jesus as God's own wisdom personified or archangel Michael, if the holy spirit
was considered personal or not, and leave later Trinity or Arian specifications
to later squabbles of history.

Trying to figure out the comparison from JWs leaders' literature alone, though
it makes the pretension of comparing the two views, would not only be the
mistake of trying to render judgement after only hearing one side of the trial,
but of listening to one side that misrepresents the case of the other side.

Though a non-trinitarian view is only a minority view and not a JWs leaders'
exclusive, the JWs leaders, as when they try to prove any of the distinctive
stances that are meant to set themslves off as the only top spokesmen of a
literal 144,000, misrepresent the comparison. They make research books seem
supportive that aren't, misrepresent what the more reasonable mainstream inter-
pretations of verses are, and leave out any related history that's bad for their
case.

(I may be reorganizing some of the other pages in the future to put everything
in a handful of basic sections to make it easier to read.)

(PS: a lot of people have been hurt or killed when they get so 'centric they
won't be tolerant or friendly to others of whatever belief or non-belief view,
nationality, race, etc. I'd add whatever believers when they got too 'centric,
but not the other believers, and whoever else got that way. It's not a
determinant for whether to believe or not--just don't get too 'centric that
way.)

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Post your "New Light" in Watchtower articles 2056!

by Witness 007 in

"some may say that "smurfs" are demonized...we believe this to be a conscience matter.....".

"bethel headquarters will now be located in the united nations building in new york.....".

"blood transfusions are a gift from jehovah....".

glenster

As we've taught for 142 years, when Jesus unrolls the Watchtower OLED, the
archangel will appoint our leader arch elf and help him provide neverending
obscure books by those who misrepresent God for us to misrepresent the right
way. Those who, in violation of Acts 15, boast of the health-giving properties
of dark chocolate Easter bunnies and use 3-in-One Oil will be descended upon by
the Governing Body like a rain of toads who've digested the right spiritual food
and will make everyone else's lawns too slippery to walk on.

This will waft up to our gods and iPod in heaven like a sweet savor not known
since the flood waters cleared from the vast array of carcasses and there was
only enough sauce for a few. We know this because our pastor Russell was there
and he smelled, and, with love, sold us everything he could write about it.
--Cy Borg