Greetings from Yucca Valley, CA!!
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
Greetings from Yucca Valley, CA!!
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
ever since i was a kid i wanted to be a pioneer and go to pioneer school.
i remember how every summer a crop of pioneers would come back all excited from the school with a "pioneer book" that no one was allowed to read except pioneers that had gone to school.
seriously, even as an adult a good friend of mine would not even let me take a peak, as it was taboo.
The Flock book is on a web page. Go to Yahoo search and type "flock" and you will find it. Full of legalisms and other works of law stuff. However, it can help you if you are before a committee. “Rules of evidence” and other loopholes the Elders sometimes forget to tell the investigated/accused.
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i thought that to be fair, i should probably list some good things that i personally got out of my 20 year jw experience:.
1. i was taught that if you believe something you should live your life to reflect that; (of course, i was not perfect in this and saw a lot of hypocrsy).
2. i personally experienced acts of kindness towards my family in many times of need;.
Very positive! I also feel that I took a lot of good things away from the JW experience. Public speaking was very helpful. Sometimes I wish that I would have stuck around longer to plant some more “seeds” before disassociation
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
for the most part, i am but a lurker here.
you all have wonderful things to say, and i usually can't top any of the advice or good comments, so i just read a lot.
this place has been a god send for me.
Your sister must choose her own path. As Brother Ray Franz points out, you can be a JW and still be a honest hearted person. Let go. Be there for her when needed
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
this present system is definitely finished.
the present system being the anglo-american dollar dominated system.
it is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day.
Where was that verse in Luke that said ".....If they say the End is near, do not follow them......."????
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i've been out for a year and miss a couple of my friends a lot.
someone told me a saying yesterday, though, that some friends are for a reason, some are for a season and some are for a lifetime.
i'm usually not into corny sayings but that one made me think.
Ray Franz second book, In Search of Christian Freedom, gave great encouragement about the loneliness we my feel from time to time. Also, as one Brother put it: “I was going through JW withdrawals” from time to time. I still do.
Yes, they were just “institutional friends” However, I know from experience that some just do it out of fear of getting Df themselves. Some, have even contacted me from time to time, “under the cover of darkness,” to see how I am doing.
Hang in there, and don’t give up. Want to be more determined than ever? Then go back to the Hall for a visit! I did, and it really turned my stomach to re-hear the twisting and legalism of the Public Talk and the WT study. It really gave me a “lift” to help keep in mind where I came from!
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
yessss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he was taken away in handcuffs, and dateline got the whole thing.
watchtower is tarnished.
Wow....
"Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention, I got some friends inside.....”
The Doors
this is my first time on a message board relating to anything jw.
i haven't posted anything in the past because i still held to the fear that it would be betraying what i was taught, betraying my family, betraying god.
this is precisely my life as it is now.
Welcome
"Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention, I got some friends inside.....”
The Doors
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
Right on.....
"Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention, I got some friends inside.....”
The Doors
hello friends,.
in a thread over at witnesses.net entitled "society bracing for law suits" fellow jw's are taking swipes at ray franz.
not too long ago, while i was still under the wt spell i also would have similarily spoken abusively of ray.
Well, I met Ray when I was a young lad living in Maywood, CA. We had a sister of a GB member serving in our congregation. I got to hear all the great stuff Ray was writing and the projects that he was working on. Remember, most of the Aid book and the Organized book was written/overseen by Ray. Also, the best book ever by the WT, Commentary on the Letter of James (the only book that has stayed the test of time) was written with his input.
I could not understand why a great brother like Ray was then demonized. Another case of bearing false witness of a brother.
"Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention, I got some friends inside.....”
The Doors