my husband called his cousin this morning and the first thing the cousin said to my husband was something like, are you aware that your wife sent us some information that was very disturbing to us?.
my husband let him know that he did not know i was sending out those letters but he had since done research on the info and found that i was correct.. the cousin asked my husband if he was aware that i could be in trouble for a letter like that.
my husband informed him again that i was telling the truth and he had called the un himself to verify.. the cousin said he would call the society to see if this is true but.
I would like to compliment you on your very impressive letter. It was written very well and went right to the heart of the matter! Our friends, no matter what their religion, deserve the truth when making decisions on their faith.
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i just finished reading crisis of conscience.
wow.
i was wondering if the procedure for disfellowshipping on the grounds of apostasy is still the same.
Yes, Brother Franz "story" is very factual. Besides the copies of memos that he provides to back up his claims, I have known some of the Brothers he mentions like Brother Trask. His second book, In Search of Christian Freedom, really hits home in the doctrines area. It was his second book that made me rethink my situation as an Elder.
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
the meetings were held in michigan (bibleexaminer), long island (nytelecom), san diego (elder families only), and here in toronto.. the stadium we used is the same we normally use for district conventions.
unlike the dc tho, which is spread over 2 weekends at the stadium, it was packed absolutely full.
it was very hard to find seats anywhere, just a few singles here and there and lots standing in the halls.
Thanks for the well written reporting. You had me going.....No news is JW news!!!
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
is your anger with the jw religion due mainly to the fact that you have been df'd?
is it possible that persons who post here who are not disfellowshipped can feel as angry as those who are being shunned and who are therefore being effectively gagged?.
is the df'ing policy of the wtbts the main reason that ex-jw's seem to go all out to get other witnesses out of the org?
I DA myself. I got some friends inside who deserve better.....
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
this site is not an official website of jehovah's .
witnesses.
i cannot believe some of the horrible things i have read here.
If you do anything, read Ray Franz' two books first!
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i'm having a discussion with my wife about the society's changes in doctrines and failed predictions.
she basically is using the argument that the society is fallible just like the the first century disciples.
so this neatly excuses the society for any erroneous teachings or failed prophecies.. how would you counter-argue that type of reasoning?
Man, read Ray Franz second book, In Search of Christion Freedom, it really lays it all out very well......
Also, have her read Luke 21:8 and explain that away.....
Also, the big problem is that if you don’t believe their mistakes, its disfellowshipping time, however we are asked to understand when they do make a mistake!
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i'm debating on when to actually decide and step down as a ministerial servant.
my conscience will no longer allow me to give talks or speak to others in the door-to-door work.. i'm feeling really apprehensive about what i need to do, i know for a fact that my wife is going to be devestated.. .
whats the best way to step down from an appointed position?
Man, I know what you are going through! I was school Overseer and after reading Ray Franz two books, I knew I had to at least step down. I stated that I needed a change and that I was going to move to another hall hasta pronto. Nice way to get out of serving with no pressure.
At the new hall, stayed low, worked on the wife (just brought out some of Brother Franz points now and then, it was so fun watching the light turn on with my Wife). Then after about one year, we DA ourselves....... Hang in there.......
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i do have two new return visits but they are not from field service.. my womens club went to a local nursing home today.
we brought the elderly gifts, we sang songs with them, and we brought our pets, and listened to them.
they were so happy to see us and share some of their lifes experiences with us.. it was different to go to a nursing home with no ulterior motives like pushing jw literature.. it felt right to just give them what they wanted most.
Now, now, the correct term is "Back Call," not RVs. Heheeee
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
when i sit at a ca and the bro comes out and reads the financial report it is alwasy in the red (deficit).
then i ask myself: "if we own this building, the parking area, and there is no food being served; how in the world can we have a deficit?
" typically, the deficit is in the range of $5000 and $7000.
As an Elder, I could not understand why we would commit a large amount to the WT before the CA funds were all in. Also, you pay for the DO living expenses including their housing. Seems like the DO’s want to have their own apartment instead of living with a family.
Also, at least at Southern California AH (Mira Loma), there are brothers and sisters living in apartments at the site on a full time bases. Boy, the Apostle Paul would roll over in his grave if he witnessed what goes on now days.
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
i was just fowarded this from a faithful dub.
it sounds fishy to me, like one of those e mail hoaxes that go around.
subject: special talk on september 30 2001. .
Oh yes, I remember that talk. Put the fear of God into me........
Nicto burada clatu........
Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."
