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jamiebowers
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Let's work together to make the internet a little less JW friendly!
by Miah inthis one's important, we need as many people as possible to help.
wot (web of trust) is a website rating site that is used by millions of people as a browser plugin.
no need to make anything up, tell it like it is.. http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/watchtower.org.
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Missing family dearly
by Freeof1914 inhey people it's been a tough couple of weeks for me, my wife and i have seperated i expected this, but it has been much more difficult than expected.
my family has gotten a million times more distant because of my inactive status and questioning ofthe org.
i do have wordy friends but still feel pretty bad being alone i have even contemplated returning to meetings for the sole purpose of not losing y family and life, but i cannot fathom the thought of bowing down to their rules and sacrificing my own integrity.
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jamiebowers
I'm sorry you're hurting, but it will get better. A word to the wise, though. If you have children and they are minors, you have every right to see them on a regular basis or even have joint custody. I know of many ex and exiting jws that don't feel worthy of raising their children. If this is your situation, please don't make that mistake.
And as far as your wife leaving is concerned...she's never going to be good for you unless she changes her brainwashed state. Look man, I'm sure you didn't stop being a jw so you could become a Hell's Angel. She has to know that there are things about the WT that bother your conscience. If that's not good enough for her, then she's not good enough for you. The same goes for parents, siblings and any other family members.
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Why the Watchtower Can't Drop Its Appeal
by Diest ini don't think the society can afford to drop this appeal.
1. if they loose their appeal it opens them up to huge amounts of liability.
they need the courts to come down on their side of the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue.
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jamiebowers
1. If they loose their appeal it opens them up to huge amounts of liability. They need the courts to come down on their side of the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue. They also need the court to rule that they cant be held liable for the actions of a member who held no position of authority at the time of the incident.
I agree that the WT probably won't drop the appeal. However, that being said, the clergy-penitent confidentiality issue was already ruled against in the Gilbert Simental criminal trial. It was decided by that judge that there was no privilege, because once the jw confesses to the elders, the information is passed onto the WT. I'm not a lawyer, but I know that the burden of proof is heavier in a criminal trial than it is in a civil one. Since it has already been established in the Conti civil trial that the WT advised elders, I don't see how in the world the WT could ever have any court, appeals or otherwise, rule that the organization can't be held liable for a congregant's actions.
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A Kingdom Parody--Conditional Love
by sd-7 inwe have been planning.
an unannounced visit,.
to find out your sins.. all of your sins.. we tapped all your phones,.
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jamiebowers
Genius as usual!
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is it a bad sign when........
by outsmartthesystem inyour wife starts wearing long pajamas and a robe to bed.......and sleeping under a different set of covers?.
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jamiebowers
Just start to sleep naked and get under the same covers as her.
No, make her live by her own damn rules and take her to the elders for not providing the marital due.
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I have hired 2 more employees this week that are DF'd to go with my several jw employees...i am giving an amazing witness!!
by oompa ini had two new positions open up out of the blue recently and as luck would have it...for some reason i know a helluva lotta ex-jws lol!
especially with two young and popular dfd sons who also hang with a lot of ex dubs...but that maybe is another thread....we are drawn to those with similarities very often and being an exjw is a pretty small club....and we left a true brotherhood to many and a network for sure to everyone else.
so at work none of the non jws care for the jws and some have asked them to stop giving them paper crap and leave them alone...when one of them acted pissed that i had told some of the guys he would not ride with me to a jobsite lmao....of course they thought a new level of insanity had overtaken one of my normally great employees...so i told her "why would i not mention that to the shop guy/friends...im not ashamed of anything???".
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jamiebowers
Glad to hear everything is going fine.
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Where is LeavingWT?
by Magwitch inhe has always been one of my absolute favorite posters.
where has he gone?.
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jamiebowers
Still no response from Zid on Facebook.
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Remember the Story about a Month Ago RE the Woman Who Murdered Her Two Children?
by jamiebowers ini have received correspondence from a jw in ontario canada.
the following is background information regarding the sinclair family and their adult children.
their son, scott left the cult and committed suicide.
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jamiebowers
I have received correspondence from a JW in Ontario Canada. The following is background information regarding the Sinclair family and their adult children. Their son, Scott left the cult and committed suicide. Their daughter, Felicia Boots also left the cult, married, and moved from Ontario to London. She had two children, who sadly, she recently murdered. Here is an article about this terrible situation:
Reporters are investigating this story and are learning about the negative results of shunning. The Ontario JW also said:
She, (Felicia) was in a depressed / mentally sickened state prior to having children - all related to her exit from the church and her strained relationship with friends and family because of it.
A reporter visited the kingdom hall in Oakville and was yelled at and told to get off the property. More interviews are taking place. An active elder in Oakville reported - who wants to remain anonymous,that a newspaper reporter from London visited the Oakville KH to ask some questions related to the suicide of Scott, Felicia's relationship with her parents, and the churches policies on shunning.
At Scott's funeral the guy giving the talk tried to blame the suicide on back pain - there was never any mention of the fact he wanted out of the religion of course. This deception may irk a few of the JWs even. Nobody likes to be lied to when it comes to the reasons for suicide. Imagine an auditorium filled with people - only there because a young man couldn't handle the pressures of leaving his religion and decided to kill himself - and ironically they are all drawn together and are comforting one another with the religious teachings... the same religion that actually caused the young man's death. Tragic..
Felcia's mom didn't even come to Felicia's wedding because she was marrying a worldly man. Please. She also told friends in the congregation that she doesn't have children left. Scott was dead, and Felicia had left the truth so she was as good as dead. She may have visited her in England when she realized her depression was serious - but they are foolish and evil parents for allowing the WT to guide their thinking to such an extent that they would inflict mental abuse on their own children. Shameful.
I'm afraid that people even on this board are not realizing the huge impact the WT and its harmful policies have had on this poor family, and justice cries out that this be corrected.
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NEWS-JW Wife Stabbed in Kingdom Hall
by Refriedtruth infox carolina 21deputies: wife stabbed by husband at church.
whns greenville-9 minutes agogreenville county deputies said they were called to kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses at 1400 old spartanburg rd.
about 2:15 p.m. where they found ...http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/18848997/deputies-wife-stabbed-by-husband-at-church.
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jamiebowers
HintofLime, no one is blaming the victim here. The Watch Tower has a dirty reputation of condoning domestic violence within the congregation in attempts to keep the organization's reputation spotless and/or convince an ubm to convert. One can't help but explore the possibilities.
That being said, I hope this poor woman doesn't need a blood transfusion and is able to fully recover.
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The Witnesses stance on seeing a psychologist?
by Bells incan anyone clear this up for me?.
i was under the impression that witnesses were strongly discouraged from seeking help from any therapist / psychologist outside of the organisation.
this always made sense to me because i'd imagine that many psychologists would realise that a witness belongs to a very high control group once they start speaking to them.. .
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jamiebowers
I was a jw in the 1980's and getting help with mental illness was generally frowned upon. My jw husband was first a suicidal maniac and later a homocidal maniac, and I consulted with a medical doctor who was also a jw elder. Once he activated forced committment to a mental hospital, the elders seemed okay with it. The elders in two different congregations that we attended actually encouraged him staying on his meds and keeping appointments with his psychiatrist. Upon the first forced committment, he was diagnosed as schizophrenic.
Unfortunately he didn't stay on his meds and was forcibly committed to a mental institution for a second time. I suffered years of physical abuse at his hands, and my life was also threatened. What is terrible about the Watch Tower in the case of mental illness is that spouses of the afflicted are supposed to take the abuse and stay quiet about it. Even after my jw husband's psychiatrist said that he would probably follow through on his death threats to me, and a judge agreed and signed the forced committment order, the elders tried to bully me into staying in the marriage.
One thing to note about the mentally ill in the organization is that if they see a counselor or psychiatrist who is a jw, they must sign a waiver of privacy. So there is no doctor-patient confidentiality. If the afflicted jw confides committing a sin, the jw therapist will report such to the elders. There have been posts here on JWN about that, but I can't recall which ones they are. Please try to keep your jw relative away from jw counselors.