It WAS on Wikipedia, I saw it. It must have been removed recently.I saw it there as well. Oh well. At some point it'll make it into the publications somehow and you'll have a source you can point to. They won't be able to remove it after that.
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Mark Sanderson NOT listed in Wikipedia's GB Page. Did I miss something?
by neverendingjourney inwikipedia still shows 7 members: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/governing_body_of_jehovah's_witnesses.
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was this appointment confirmed?.
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Mark Sanderson NOT listed in Wikipedia's GB Page. Did I miss something?
by neverendingjourney inwikipedia still shows 7 members: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/governing_body_of_jehovah's_witnesses.
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was this appointment confirmed?.
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Wikipedia still shows 7 members: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_Body_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
Was this appointment confirmed?
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If Sparlock is wrong...
by TD in...then what else should a jw parent forbid under the same rationale?
jehovah hates magic).
i started a mental list and it boggles the mind.
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Gerrit Losch (GB member) specifically mentioned Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings as being off limits for Witnesses. This was at an assembly some 7/8 years ago.
It's a slippery slope. When I was growing up, the Sparlock rationale was always promoted by the hardliners, but deviations from orthodoxy were tolerated. If you take the Sparlock rationale to its logical conclusion, how could a Witness graduate high school? He'd have to refuse to read half of his English assignments (Shakespeare, Ancient Greek mythology, etc). Absurd.
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COC in public libraries
by diamondiiz ini haven't researched this but do library have copies of this book?
did you ever look for coc or any other book in a local library when you were a believer or when you began to have doubts?
how hard is it to find this book in a public library?.
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Stealing is a relative term. My local library said it had been checked out and never returned. Nevertheless, it was unavailable at other local libraries as well, but they didn't give me a reason why. The librarian thought it was very peculiar.
Thankfully the library had an exchange program, and they ordered it from a Baptist university library. It was an older edition, so i bit the bullet and bought the current edition online.
I think most JWs would not have a problem throwing the book away or checking it out and claiming they lost it (and paying the fine).
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Lawyers: Can a Jehovah's Witness sue the Watchtower Society for Civil Rights violations?
by Balaamsass ini have been on boards and run businesses, and been reminded by more than one cpa and attorney to cross ts and dot i s regarding corporate requirements or we would become liable to lawsuits.. therefore, my questions to any attorneys and cpas, and the keen minds on this board, are the following;.
i have been reading old threads on this site about watchtower society irregularities regarding tax filings with state and federal agencies.
evidently, a number of filings for different years were identical (unlikely if not impossible) or missing.
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Civil rights legislation, in the US at least, is designed to prevent the government from violating certain enumarted rights and/or liberties. There is no nexus between a private religion and the federal government, so the answer to your question that a civil rights action against the JWs would be thrown out before it ever goes to trial.
A little background info of general interest: http://www.constitution.org/grossack/bivens.htm
If a cop barges through your door without a warrant or probable cause and beats you to a bloody pulp, you have a civil rights violation on your hands. If your neighbor beats you up because you parked too close to his car, you don't have a civil rights violation, you have an assault and battery. The key is whether there was government involvment and whether a civil right specifically extended by legislation was violated.
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True Pink Floyd Fans Only...(ok everyone is invited)
by charlie brown jr. inlistening to a retro lunch...... this queensryche song comes on....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhat-xuq6dw.
the only song from them i like for 1 reason........ pink floyd rip off...... hidden voices..... and the corny...........help me!.
lmao!!!.
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My favorite Pink Floyd hidden gem:
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"Theocratic Warfare" and the Annual Report
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inone of the things i certainly noticed as a jw, and even during the time i was in bethel, was the complexities of reporting "truth.".
beginning with an observation on a personal level, i consider myself an honest person.
but something happened along the way, beginning when i pioneered.
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Most of us (if not all) have stories that could back this up. The congregation secretary at my old Hall was a disaster as far as organization went, and his wife was one of the biggest gossips in the circuit. He used to leave the elder's book out in plain sight in his house and you'd often find publisher cards under the seat cushions. He also had five small kids. His wife seemed to know the intimate details of judicial committe matters going back many years, but that's another story.
Not long after my baptism, he not surprisingly lost a boat load of publisher cards. He started houding the brothers for the slips they had already turned in because the CO visit was drawing near. He asked my Mom and she told him that she no longer had records going back that far. He point blank told her in front of me to give him a number, any number. Estimate it, he said. My jaw hit the floor. This was back when I was all in and thought it was actually a rosy spiritual paradise such as is portrayed in the literature.
A year or so later I became a regular pioneer and was out in service with the service overseer (also a pioneer). We were out for about an hour and fifteen minutes. I kept meticulous records at the time (although with the passage of time I too fudged my numbers) and when he saw me write down 1:15 in my notebook he said to me, "Write down 3 hours. We're pioneers, after all." It suddenly made sense how we was able to work a job that often required overtime, be an elder and pioneer all at the same time.
It's part of the culture. You may not start out that way, but most eventually become that way. The numbers are fudged from top to bottom.
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Shocked at what my 3 year old just asked me
by jwfacts inme - jehovah?
who is jehovah?.
me - oh.. zac - are you happy with me dad for remembering jehovah.
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That's a tough one. My nephew (who was about 6 years old at the time) looked at me once with tears in his eyes and asked me why I didn't go to meetings with them. What do you say to that?
I guess it really depends on what kind of relationship you want to keep with your MIL. I would be inclined to say something along the lines of "well, you know son, different people have different names for him. Some call him Jehovah, others Jesus, others Allah...." but getting conficting info about important things like that from his grandma and dad would probably greatly confuse the poor child.
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Governing Body arrogance vs. Legal Department's pragmatism - do you think there will be a slip-up at some point?
by sir82 inthe recent & surprising developments in the uk and australia got me thinking..... the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is nothing if not arrogant.
they consider themselves "god's channel of communication", stopping just short of claiming divine inspiration.
they believe that they and they alone are the masters of "christ's belongings" and are answerable only to him.. the watchtower society's legal department carefully crafts gb decisions so as not to put the watchtower society's assets or prestige as risk.
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Your conjecture on GB/legal tension is pretty well-founded based on what we know, but it's still conjecture. That's what really bugs me about trying to arrive at conclusions about the Watchtower's direction moving forward: we simply don't have enough facts.
When Crisis of Conscience was published it revealed a lot the inner workings of the religion previously unknown to all but maybe a dozen or so individuals. That was 30 years ago! Who knows what developments there have been at the top of the hierarchy in the past 30 years.
We can make certain safe assumptions based on policy decisions that have come down (as Sir82 has done), but it doesn't change the fact that credible information concerning top-level decision making has not leaked out in 3 decades.
Is the 2/3 voting requirement still in place? Answer: none of us know for sure. Has the GB passed some internal policy mandating that certian policy changes receive approval from legal? Again, who knows.
It's like trying to decipher a phrase on Wheel of Fortune with only 3 or 4 letters visible.
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Do you sense that the Watchtower will implode?
by AK - Jeff insince leaving the organization 8 years ago, there have been more significant changes in the actual, physical activities of the organization than occurred in all the 40 plus years i was 'in'.
bethel closings.
bethel layoffs.
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Two scenarios come to mind:
1. Some sort of coup or leadership struggle at the GB level.
2. External government or judicial forces.
Outside of that, the Watchtower's demise (and they will eventually fall) will be gradual over many decades.