Posts by neverendingjourney

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Do you think the society will abandon 1914?

by B_Deserter in

it seems to me that they're slowly dismantling the date theology that ties the end times to this period in history.

first, they updated the generation teaching to mean a figurative generation, thus removing the possibility in the near future when all who were alive in 1914 are dead.

then, they abandoned 1935 so the annointed will never die off, and prove their belief that the annointed will see armageddon wrong.

neverendingjourney

It's been mentioned already, but there is no need for them to get rid of 1914. Not now. Not ever. The new spin on the generation teaching is that a "generation" is an undefined length of time. A generation could be two or three hundred years if you look closely at the way that article is worded.

If they decide to change 1914, it will be because some new "oracle" figured out a new algorithm that sets a new date or deadline for Armageddon, not because they've painted themselves into a corner. The already walked all over the wet paint in 1995 with the "generation revision." They're out of that box already.

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Has Anyone Had Contact With SirNose586 Since His DA?

by Arthur in

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i had been away from the forum for about a month - during the time that he posted his threads about being confronted by his parents, and eventually submitting his da letter.. him and i had hit it off and were corresponding via pm before he departed, but i never got a chance to get any contact information from him.

does anyone here have an email address or cell phone number that i could reach him at?

i would love to get to talk with him again.

neverendingjourney

I hope his parents didn't convince him that apostates really are just a bunch of demonic heathens who should be kept away from.

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Who REALLY is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by gumby in

this thread was inspired by another thread about "two classes of the annointed".

1 page 805. as we all know when the term faithful and discreet slave is used by the witnesses it is usually always about the governing body.

in most prayers we hear at the meeting we hear the brother asking jehovah to direct the fds.. notice who the insight book says the faithful and discreet slave is,.

neverendingjourney

Gumby:

That's where the discrepancy comes in. The FDS = all the anointed doctrine predates the modern GB power structure that was created in the late 1970s. Back then the society was under the stewardship of the office of the WTBTS presidency. The president could take the lead in organizational matters and the society could still claim to be receiving input from all of the anointed. There was no claim back then that only certain of the anointed could participate in dispensing spiritual food. This discrepancy didn't really arise until the society's power came to be consolidated in the governing body. These men have essentially shifted the responsibility of the FDS and placed in on themselves. They now claim that Jehovah uses the GB only and that the anointed willingly submit themselves to the GB's direction. This is the way things work in practice. However, they don't like to go around changing doctrine if they don't have to. It's much too embarrassing. When they officially scrap doctrine, it's a last resort. Therefore, they're just hoping nobody notices that their FDS=all the anointed doctrine doesn't make sense anymore. I suppose at some point in the not too distant future they will be forced to come out with some "new light" to patch things up.

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Who REALLY is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by gumby in

this thread was inspired by another thread about "two classes of the annointed".

1 page 805. as we all know when the term faithful and discreet slave is used by the witnesses it is usually always about the governing body.

in most prayers we hear at the meeting we hear the brother asking jehovah to direct the fds.. notice who the insight book says the faithful and discreet slave is,.

neverendingjourney

if the entire body of annointed christians make up the Slave Class, then WHY do only 12 or so men of this class do so

They analogize it to the way a congregation works. Every active, baptized member in good standing is considered to be a Christian, but not all of them take the lead. Elders are selected from among them to take the lead in spiritual matters. In the same way, there are thousands of people that partake of the emblems and profess to be of the anointed, but only a few selected governing body members (presently only nine) take the lead. I know, it's not consistent with their own interpretation, but their theology is full of holes.

They don't claim to have separate classes of anointed. They all are considered to be part of the anointed, part of the faithful and discreet slave, but only the governing body is at the head of the worldwide religious organization. The latest QFR clarified and drove the point home that the anointed follow the lead of GB. They have not, however, officially recognized a separate class of anointed. They feel that the GB is a sort of elder body that acts as a spokesman for all of the anointed, the FDS.

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Becoming officially recognized as Annointed

by B_Deserter in

i've heard there is a very secretive process the wts uses to determine whether or not they'll consider someone "of the annointed.

" from what i've heard it's a very rigorous set of questions.

can anyone here confirm this?

neverendingjourney

Here's a link to a thread that discusses the "given ones" doctrine:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/101208/1.ashx/

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Becoming officially recognized as Annointed

by B_Deserter in

i've heard there is a very secretive process the wts uses to determine whether or not they'll consider someone "of the annointed.

" from what i've heard it's a very rigorous set of questions.

can anyone here confirm this?

neverendingjourney

thought that was the 'new light' like 7 years or so ago, that they were setting up non-annointed to participate in GB duties...can someone confirm or tell me i'm off my rocker.

There was a ridiculous Watchtower article that came out about 10 years ago that seemingly set up a third caste of Christians that the article identified as the "given ones." These were said to be non-anointed men that helped the governing body carry out their duties, but they had no voting rights. In other words, they did things that only members of the "anointed" were allowed to do before, but the so-called anointed members of the governing body still had final say. There has never been any mention of this teaching ever since, at least none that I'm aware of, and the doctrine was seemingly buried, swept under the rug, if you will. Never has the society said that governing body is open to be filled by members of the non-anointed class. I think much of the confusion stems from the given ones article a while back.

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imagine written by john lennon

by alexrae in

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does anyone know the lyrics to the song imagine written by a sister that supposedly lives in ireland?.......she supposedly changed the lyrics and im curious about it.

neverendingjourney

In fairness, it's only been 16 minutes, but I found them funny. Mad props.

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Creationism hiding in plain sight

by FireNBandits in

a friend pointed out to me that "theistic evolution" is, in essence, no different than intelligent design.

both postulate a creator that is behind creation.

both use the words "creation" and "creator.

neverendingjourney

Welcome back. I was wondering about where you had been a few days ago.

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Becoming officially recognized as Annointed

by B_Deserter in

i've heard there is a very secretive process the wts uses to determine whether or not they'll consider someone "of the annointed.

" from what i've heard it's a very rigorous set of questions.

can anyone here confirm this?

neverendingjourney

Let's not be so hard on Pintail. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want to believe in. Let's not forget that most of held what we now consider to be crazy religious beliefs not too long ago.

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?Please explain Evolution to me in simple terms

by Guest with Questions in

and please dont give me links to read.

i dont want a complicated version; just a very simple explanation on the theory of evolution, and if possible, in your own words.

many of us are very ignorant on this subject and it seems that a few here are very knowledgeable so i hope you can help me and others also.. also if you believe in the theory of common descent, could you explain that to me also?

neverendingjourney

So there you go. You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having xxx with a fish squirrel, congratulations!

I love South Park.