Posts by Marcel

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What didn't you do because you were a JW that you now regret?

by jwfacts in

i just bought a bottle of wine for an exjw's 30th that i am about to run off to.

on it there was a great quote by mark twain:.

"twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do... explore.

Marcel

i wish i had embraced my teenager times more than i did.

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listened to my baptism speech recording the first time after 11 years

by Marcel in

while posting yesterday i remembered the recording of my baptism talk i own.

i want to share the story with you: .

i was baptized on a circuit assembly in 1996. my sister gave me the recording on a tape the very next day as a gift (cute, uh?).

Hi!

while posting yesterday i remembered the recording of my baptism talk i own.
i want to share the story with you:

i was baptized on a circuit assembly in 1996. my sister gave me the recording on a tape the very next day as a gift (cute, uh?). for the next 11 years i wasnt able to listen to it, because i had almost only bad feelings about this particular day. i was raised as a JW, i had dedicated me, i had studied, i had tried hard to switch off my sins. but since i did the wrong thing only 2 days before my baptism AGAIN i felt incredibly sick on that day. i didnt felp appropriate. i felt like lieing to god himself and spit in his face. and lieing to my whole family and friends too. the sin i commited was a sin most ppl knew well when they became a teenager and feel their hormones racing. i dont wanna go into detail :)

as a result of this i prayed my whole time as a teenager almost every other night with tears in my eyes for forgiveness. i was an auxiliarity pioneer too - because that made me feel better. some years later there was an article in the awake who shed a new light (in contrary to the young people ask book) on that topic and literally said that it is okay to get baptized when such a sin plagues one but he fights against it. the first time after many years i felt worthy again. "proper food for the right time" i thought and i prayed happily and thanked god for his help.

but the tape... it scared still the sh*t out of me. it took me another 7 years.
today im in big doubt about the JWs and fading. and i remembered that tape.

so i listened to it :) its a weired feeling to hear that talk. i can remember it still very well. i remember the feelings i had. its like yesterday. but i dont feel bad about it anymore. and i decided to make a copy on compact disc, because the tape get worse everyday. its a part of my life and i want to preserve it.

sharing that with you i come up with the question:
do you have similar feelings about your baptism or were you in a similar situation?

thank you for reading!
marcel

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What is/was the last most believable date for second coming/Armageddon?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

i was never a witness, i joined this site after my wife started studying with them, and i got upset over some of the things that resulted from that.

however, i grew up in a similar high-control group called the worldwide church of god.

much like the witnesses, in the mid 70s ( i forget the exact year, i was only in elementary school in those days, but it may have been 75, just like jws), there was a big push toward the end being at hand, the great tribulation is coming, etc etc.

Marcel

the next one is 2034 = 1914 + 120 years (like noah had to wait for the flood)

the most believable was 1975 for me.at least if i were already existing in that year ;)
1914 is a farce just as 1915,1918,1925,1994,etc. independently they point to armageddon or something else. ive heard an annointed one who said secretly (for not becoming disfellowshipped), that all these dates are rubbish in her eyes (except 1914 i guess, she didnt specified that). shes dead now - she probably knows the truth or nothing at all now ;)

i think the most jws believe (and i was one of them) that there isnt a specific date but since the world is bad it cant be much longer - its sooo cloooose. i would have voted this way:

chance to be still living in the old system in the year:

2008: 95%
2010: 80%
2015: 70%
2020: 50%
2030: 30%
2035: 20%
2100: 0.1%

lol :) but thats just the same way as the guys in 1908 thought! im sure.

when i was a kid my mother told me that i wont probably leave elementary school and by no chance have to work in this system of things. lol. damn.

88

Friendly talk with a couple of elders

by TooBad TooSad in

last week i received a home visit from a couple of elders because they were concerned about my spirituality.

and lack of progress.

i said so you can guarantee the end will be here in 5 years.

Marcel

hi gary!

jesus didnt knew when the end was coming while he was on earth only. possibly for not spoiling it to the humans :-D

marcel

13

Grieving not complete

by teela(2) in

bumped into an old friend of my mothers.

her daughter died in a car crash over 30 years ago.

the truth is all she can talk about and seeing her daughter again.

Marcel

this topic bothers me too.
seeing the truth about the truuf is devastating. its not only that you lose your family and friends... no, no, no. your whole view of the world collaps. what can you believe? you suddenly feel that youve never learned to cope with death! what if you never see your loved ones again? never?! cruel... ive never learned to live with that. its a hard lesson to see this possibility.

actually i hope the bible IS right and its gods word. its a tough problem. i dont feel like going out searching for other religions or something. maybe there is NO current "true" religion. or its really a personal relationsship between you and jesus only. if youve been betrayed by a religion its hard to trust again.

i can understand ppl who dont wanna hear anything critic about the WTS... its just too hard to fall out of that dream.

i was thinking about that too. just drop the doubts and return. if its a lie i wont never realize it and until then i would have a hope and i dont have to learn without being wrapped up in pillows.

4

I finally understand...

by sinis in

that if we were immortal we would not have religion.

religion is a vehicle that tries to explain the unexplainable within our limited mortal lives.

Marcel

so true shazard!

26

Turned 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by why??? in

wow i turned 21 today and for the first time i'm genuinely excited about it.

i got alot of b'day wishes and just said "thank you" instead of trying to explain my way out of it...i felt so special and i even went to the store and bought a bacardi my parents laughed at me...and i don't feel guilty for enjoying the day i was born like i used to......baby steps to mental freedom!!!!

!

Marcel

21 is the best age i can imagine... and its gone just too fast. time runs just to fast - im heading fror 30 already. damn :(

edit: omg i forgot while crying: HAPPY BIRTHDAY :-D

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Disfellowshipping

by sexyk in

"thus you nullify the word of god for the sake of your tradition.......their teachings are but rules made by man- matthew 15-;6,9- new international version.. in the book crisis of conscience, ray franz explained his viewpoints on matters to the rest of the governing body members.

he did not believe it was up to them (the governing body) to decide what the brothers and sisters did.

rather, he beleived that god is the one who "lets" them do certain things, either because his word approves it or because it is silent on the matter, and that god alone prohibits, when his world clearly condemns the action, either explicity or by clear principle.

Marcel

but peter regret... what happens to a JW who does false and regrets? right, no shunning.

11

Why they won't try again...

by besty in

i have spoken to two jw's today's who are well acquainted with my non-conformist stand and absence from the meetings.

much difference in their readjustment approach <emotional v logical> but they shared this in common: .

they both explicitly refused my invitation to pursue the conversation to another session - both said they saw no basis for 'getting anywhere' and didn't see the point of endless conversations...i accept that but also think... .

Marcel

JWs are told over and over again not to discuss. A JW **Discussion** Forum like this is apostate per definition. JWs dont discuss, they swallow and learn to swallow better. when JWs 'discuss' they talk about new swallowing technics.

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Are JW's to associate with homosexuals?

by ThomasCovenant in

hi.

non jw family are arranging a get-together for the long time no see homosexual former partner of my uncle.. my 'elder' father and mother are invited and will probably attend.. what i would like to know is has the 'society' ever said anything to make this a no-no?.

thomas covenant.

Marcel

as long as he is not disfellowshipped and being together with him has no sexual part everything is fine ;) otherwise JWs werent allowed to go from door to door, because of all that nasty sinners.

edit: but its not recommended of course. its a kind of bad company.