well, we in southern okla. are finally getting freezing rain.
i hate it.
how are things in your neck of the woods?.
looks like we will be getting what you are getting in OK right now. I am up by St. Louis... we have predictions of 2 inches of "stuff" tonight starting just after evening rush...about 6pm. I hope it is enough to cancel school tomorrow. I don't have my homework done yet.
Snakes ()
i was just wondering have any of you ever had to deal with the death of a loved who was still part of the witness'?
when ever i see a jw's obituary in the paper, every time at the end ,it always says contributions can be made to the watchtower society.
do the elders get right to you to get you to put that in the paper when writing up the obituary or what?
Once a year there is an article in the Kool-aid edition of the WT about how dubs can contribute to the world wide work. There is also a brochure that they produce. Usually the article comes out November and is considered on the Service Meeting later on. Always dreaded getting assigned that part. I think I usually passed on it... but I dont remember anymore.
Elders who know that an elderly person has a sizable estate available usually takes extra good care of such ones knowing that they will contribute most if not all of their estate to the local kingdom hall..... they usually talk to the person so that the majority of the funds stay local rather than going to Brooklyn. Self-preservation and all. Takes the pressure off the elders to make up for any shortage in contributions to pay the light bill each month. Also gets new KHs and remodels.
It is what happened when I was an elder. I was local building chair for an upcoming remodel... I drug my feet on the project because we couldnt afford it in more ways than one. Some old sister died and left about $50K.... instant remodel fund. I was already out as LBC chair by then and soon after out as elder...full steam ahead to spend the newly gained funds.
What a waste.
Snakes ()
i wonder if the governing body (gb) knows the trouble the whole thing started..... to be sure, when the gb put into effect that all congregations of jehovah's witnesses were to have a body of elders that is in existence today, their goal was to meet their own ends.
under a sub heading "gearing up for explosive growth" in their history book "jehovah's witnesses - proclaimers of god's kingdom" they stated..... ***.
jehovahs servants were determined to continue to yield to divine direction.
jimmyPage:
Even before I learned the real truth about the WT I said to myself, "No way do I want to become like this."
That's what one of the young MS's from my story said..his dad is a secretary in another congo for the last 25 years I think. His father-in-law is the a## elder..his brother-in-law is the aforementioned young PO.. no wonder he wants nothing to do with elders.
Snakes ()
http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/02542/atheist/religulous-full-movie/ .
as most on this forum are aware, and as has happened to many of them perhaps, i have run through a common metamorphosis of jw, xjw, looking for christianity, doubts, where are we now, i don't know?.
a friend of mine, who has gone thru similar metamorphosis, sent me this link.
OTWO:
I am so glad you got to see that. I sent the link to my closest of friends before
it went to the whole site, afraid that the large number of hits would make them
pull the movie from the web. I doubt they have permission to post the entire
movie. Watch it while you can.
I tried the link above. the video was removed for infringement (no duh)..I will just go rent it ..or maybe check it out from the local public library....a lot of libraries have it in their networks.
Snakes( )
everytime i try to print anything from jwn, it won't print.. however, when i was on jwd, i never had a problem printing stuff.. i didn't change any of my settings, either.
i can print from anywhere else, but not from jwn.
is there a reason for this?.
do one of three things... edited to add,,, method 3 doesnt work well for me either.
method 1: just copy/paste what you want to print out. Highlight anything you want to print, CTRL-C (copy), then open a Word document (or Notepad if formatting is not important) and CTRL-V (paste) into the document. (there are also icons in the reply toolbar for that...2nd line, 1st icon is cut, 2nd icon is paste). This is most effective for just copying sections of text but also copies everything incl ads sometimes.
method 2: If you want everything not just text, take a screen shot. line up the section of screen you want and hit SHIFT-PRNTSCRN (the PRNT SCRN key is usually on the top row of keys with the F keys). Then paste it into a Word document (you wont be able to paste into a notepad doc). Repeat for each section of screen. Usually you can then drag the corners of whatever you pasted and make it bigger or smaller as needed.
method 3 (least effective): I had trouble in Internet Explorer with this. When I hit CTRL-P (for print), it only printed what was in the post a reply box)..so this one probably doesnt work. The first two do work.
Snakes ()
i wonder if the governing body (gb) knows the trouble the whole thing started..... to be sure, when the gb put into effect that all congregations of jehovah's witnesses were to have a body of elders that is in existence today, their goal was to meet their own ends.
under a sub heading "gearing up for explosive growth" in their history book "jehovah's witnesses - proclaimers of god's kingdom" they stated..... ***.
jehovahs servants were determined to continue to yield to divine direction.
edited to add...had to move this to the private section.. when I posted I failed to see it was on the public forum..hope the google bots didnt catch it yet
Snakes ()
last night was the premiere of the tv show "lie to me'..............it`s about a long haired jw kid,that may have killed his teacher..........he`s basicly a good kid..he`s on the school sports team and stalks his teacher..he`s crazy about her,he follows her around and takes pictures of her..he`s even got a picture of her,dead on the sofa.............when he`s brought in for questioning,he`s asked how he felt when he heard about her death..he said:"i prayed for her soul"(only long haired jw kids on school sports teams are allowed to pray for someones soul!..lol!!
).................................the kids dad is an overseer..?
?...he loves the lord!..he says lord and god a lot!..he seems to avoid the name jehovah through the entire show.......no one in the kingdom hall likes the dad,because he is a zealous jehovah`s witness!!
white dove:
don't play sports and are barely allowed into the music programs at schools
In HS, my younger brothers were not allowed to play sports..one of the reasons my middle brother left and went into the military when he graduated HS. I was always surprised that I was allowed to be in several clubs.... Chess Club, Theater (always in the background, never on stage), and Computer Club,....that's right..all the geek clubs... I was even allowed by my JW hard core dad to go and help build sets on Saturday, even in the morning..missing field circus was OK sometimes...I was socially backward even then...i think my mom pressured him to allow me some freedom to try to be more normal...not that it ever worked.... Dad eventually yanked the rug out from under me:
I remember that one play I was given the opportunity to be the Props Manager for one play...but he drew the line at allowing me to be at the rehearsals on Tuesday and Thursday night before the weekend main event... so I did a lot of work but got none of the credit in the program if I recall....dad was not going to allow me to miss a meeting.
I missed out on lots of things like most JW kids..... good and bad.
Snakes ()
"mental wondering in the wilderness"... uh oh.... it's a long post from snakes.... lol.
yep... i think that is the best way to describe where i am at in life right now.
if you have read my past posts (mostly in the private section) you know some of my history as a life-long (now former) witness.. i have been away from the jw religion, for all intents and purposes, since dec. 06, though it was not until sept 07 that i stopped attending meetings.
jwfacts:
For several months after I was depressed and not fun to be around and it would have been impossible to attract new friends at the time that I most needed them
though I am not DF, the depression is there more than I like to admit. Just today I had an instructor email me privately asking me to dial it down this semester (online class I had the same instructor for another similar class) on the class discussion board. He has no idea why I was so "in your face" and confrontational last semester with others on the course. Little does he know it has nothing to do with school. I promised I would be good (mostly) this time around. At least he was complimentary to me in his comments, which helped my mood.
lance:
I do need to catch up with you and a few others who have extended a long distance hand. I tend to be home in the late evenings (I am in the Central Time Zone US)...not much during the week or on the weekends before sundown..I am either at work or at school. Thank you ..considering you went through a hell of a lot more than I have....
Snakes ()
last night was the premiere of the tv show "lie to me'..............it`s about a long haired jw kid,that may have killed his teacher..........he`s basicly a good kid..he`s on the school sports team and stalks his teacher..he`s crazy about her,he follows her around and takes pictures of her..he`s even got a picture of her,dead on the sofa.............when he`s brought in for questioning,he`s asked how he felt when he heard about her death..he said:"i prayed for her soul"(only long haired jw kids on school sports teams are allowed to pray for someones soul!..lol!!
).................................the kids dad is an overseer..?
?...he loves the lord!..he says lord and god a lot!..he seems to avoid the name jehovah through the entire show.......no one in the kingdom hall likes the dad,because he is a zealous jehovah`s witness!!
I ....did NOT....have SEXUAL RELATIONS....with ....Miss. Lewinsky that dead ...teacher....
sorry...flashbacks to the 90s.
Snakes ()
"mental wondering in the wilderness"... uh oh.... it's a long post from snakes.... lol.
yep... i think that is the best way to describe where i am at in life right now.
if you have read my past posts (mostly in the private section) you know some of my history as a life-long (now former) witness.. i have been away from the jw religion, for all intents and purposes, since dec. 06, though it was not until sept 07 that i stopped attending meetings.
Mrs. F:
Do you feel open to having a greater relationship with your non JW brothers? Rebuilding those family ties might give you a greater sense of connectedness and belonging that you lost upon leaving the WT. Just a thought.
Ironically, my youngest brother, 10 years younger in fact, are closer now than we ever were when I was an active JW.
[[Back story: I had kicked my youngest (nonJW) brother out of my house. He lived with me for a few months. He had violated my house rules, which were not the same as JW rules..... didnt do a few chores in lieu of rent, ate my food without helping out, coming in at 3am....I caught him smoking in the house because it was "too cold" outside..I have never smoked and it makes me sick. (I once tried a cigarello and it did nothing for me)
... and found his stash of very hard core porn (I mean nasty hard core by almost any standard) magazines in a closet. Even as an elder, I really didnt care if someone looked at soft core......but some of the stuff was just horrid. That was the last straw. I waited for him to leave for a weekend and changed the locks. Pissed my JW mom off and alienated me from the whole family for awhile.... ]]
So my relationship with my youngest is strong now...he says it was because I took the hard tack with him....forced him to grow up (a little..he is still a partier..lol). I love him dearly.
My relationship with my middle (nonJW) brother is not as close, but we talk every 7-10 days, same as my JW mom. I love him but some things he does irritates me and I won't subject myself to it. I have an open invite to live with him and his wife if I ever need it.... he has begged me to move there.... so at least I know I will not ever be homeless....
As to moving away...it will have to be for the right reason and on my terms..I refuse to be "running" from anything. I have been developing a close friendship with someone I met via eHarmony, but I suspect we will remain friends only (for reasons I wont go into), but who knows? I have a couple of other nonJW friends locally who are genuinely kind and would help no matter what... and understand I was still shedding the old "JW Persona" and didnt give me too hard a time for being an ass while an elder...just relieved that I finally left it...
I am keeping busy with school..full load of 5 classes (and I think I was able to test out of a 6th class)... so volunteer ops may be limited, but I havent stopped looking...
thanks for your kind comments...I hope my experience helps some lurker somewhere...
Snakes ()
PS...and mr. and mrs. flipper...thank you..... your PM made my day.
