Posts by SnakesInTheTower

When I got back from an overseas trip in August 2006, nearly having a nervous breakdown over a broken engagement (on her part), and the general harassment of a particular jackass elder...I verbally resigned but not submitted a written note. The BOE took me off as secretary and Local Building Chairman for our remodel...both I was glad to have taken away. I knew then it was a matter of time.

We had a CO visit coming up the end of the year..so in October a Quarterly meeting was scheduled to discuss various things... apparently my qualifications were part of that...unfortunately no one bothered to send me an agenda until I received an email with it less than 24 hours from the meeting. Everything had already been discussed in advance. I told the brothers that 24 hours is not enough time to go over the meeting points (prayerfully I believe is the word I used **eye roll**)). I also pointed out that half of the topics were things that should be handled by less than the entire BOE. One of those things was the remodel. Apparently the PO had already taken over in the background before booting me. I tried one more time to talk to one of the elders (and the CO and DO) at a circuit pioneer meeting nearby...to no avail.

I refused to show up. It was then they decided I no longer qualified as an elder. They accepted my verbal resignation at the next regular Sunday meeting. Then I decided I was going to start my fade....but I couldn't fade and stay there. I planned to change congos, circuits, and states but not phsycially moving away. I realized that the BOE of the prospective new congo wanted me to be an elder there. If I resigned for "personal reasons" then they could reappoint me in a year. It was then that I decided to withdraw the verbal resignation and make my current BOE pull the trigger in front of the CO. Being deleted forces a 3 year moratorium by the Society and then reappointment only as MS for at least 6 months..at least that is the way it was then....

And so they did. (This is the same BOE that lets its Service Overseer/Regular Pioneer continue in both positions despite the fact that he had been busted for looking at porn..... and despite the fact that he admitted that he wouldnt have come forward except a JW relative (not his wife) had caught him via his internet history while borrowing the computer..... and is involved in a barely legal but morally reprehensible MLM scam. Yet they were willing to boot the MTS grad whom they hated... )

And so my plan was in place... I was removed..I left...went to the new congo for 8 months or so....made less and less meetings...turned in phantom time through August ...... and then quit going.... the fade complete... now I am just inactive..and never attend.

As I said... nothing is normal about my life... but the story is out there... I say let your BOE pull the trigger if you are truly done. If you have doubt about leaving...then resign for "personal reasons" and leave on good terms....in case you want that crap job back.

Snakes ()

ps..and for you lurkers from my old congo...you know who I am ...come get me ya buggers.

**flips international hand gesture of disrespect at BOE**

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Is there proof somewhere that when a KH is sold...,

by cawshun in

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is there some place to prove that when a congregation donates time, work, materials, ect... to build a kh, that when it get's sold the money goes to the wts corporation and not back to the congregation that built it through donations?.

SnakesInTheTower

Two forms of KH ownership....trustee and corporation... the trustees are almost always elders (in the early days non-elders were trustees esp if they contributed a lot to the KH).... in corporations the "officers" always are elders. The Society, via its GB appointed mouthpiece the CO, will always strongly encourage the trustees or officers to change the legal paperwork to send the money to the Society if the congo dissolves or the KH is sold. And the non-elder trustees (in the case of elders that are deleted or DF) to resign and appoint elders as trustees in their place. The average rank and file in a Trustee congregation has no idea of this except in the rare case of change in trustees...in corporations, the congo has to have a meeting once a year to elect trustees (legal matter), and consider "corporate" business...same reason the Society has the Annual Meeting..strictly meeting a legal requirement ..and makes a nice brain wash session up at bethel to invite people to...

The paperwork now says that the trustee must be an elder in good standing...at least that is what the trustee paperwork I last seen said..and that was the last proceedure I seen before being deleted as an elder and walking away.

One congo in my old circuit was sold with the intent that the funds be used for a new KH elsewhere in the circuit...last I checked...not only was that never done, but several KHs were sold in this area (2 circuits) and all of the money went to the Society and the congos merged.

things may have changed..i havent been an elder now for over 2 years... wow.... time flies when I am having fun...

Snakes ()

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Who here has just let the JW stuff go?. I NEED HELP GUYS!!!!!!!.................

by oompa in

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....i am so frikkin obsessed about the jw lies and my newfound truths about them, and it is prob driving me crazy or causing depression.....if i wake up in the middle of the night, i never get back to sleep as my mind starts racing about jw crap and how it affects my marriage, and then how can i make this marriage work with her such a hardcore dub....i told my wife i now realize i am an abusive husband.....i must stop talking to her about the real truth!!

!..........it is killing her inside and we have had soooo many bad discussions that turn into arguments......on top of that she says she is now closer to jah and the org than at any other time in her life, that now that she has no positive direction from me, she relies totally on jehovah and prays to him more than ever..... we talked about separation, and that i was going to lose her over our religious differences........i feel so sorry for what i have put her through, and i know that if i can not really shut up with my ohsohelpful comments of truths about this truth she will leave me due to "spiritual endangerment".......and she said she is damm close to that happening.....i told her i knew it to and would so hate to lose her due to our religious differences.

at my recent shepherding call, they said to try and stop focusing on the negatives i have found in jw, and focus on the good things...and that is not a bad idea even if i never go back to meetings....there are good things about dubs....the efforts at ending racism and at least for me, some really good lifelong friends.......even their hope for the future was pretty good to me, even though it is a bunch of crap and i no longer believe the bible is gods word or inspired.....it does have some good suggestions for a happy life and ideas as to how to treat others........but so do just about every holy book of other faiths........ i had plans to start going to some meetings with my wife, but today, after a sleepless night i told her i just dont think i can do it, and just as she strongly believes it is the truth, i do not, and that i think the guys on the gb are not led by holy spirit cause if she will read the proclaimers book, she will see we have never gotten a single bible inerpretation of prophecy correct.......so she says "so what is there?

SnakesInTheTower

WELCOME give cake...

P.S.2. How do you get more posts allowed? Is everyone limited to 10 every 24 hours?

apparently newbies get limited posting until they have proven they are not troublemakers... since registration opened again on the forum, there has already been some spammers... those of us who have been here longer and stayed out of trouble have more (but not unlimited) postings.

ack. And why are there no JW's on this forum? :P

I presume based on your that you do realize this forum is not favorable to the Watchtower Society, right? Membership here is considered apostasy by the Organization. There are lots of active JWs on this forum. I was an elder lurking on here for several years before I signed up...I have since left....There are lots of former members needing and giving support to others who have left the religion, unbelieving mates of active JWs looking for help udnerstanding their believing spouse, current members with doubts looking for answers, friends, relatives, and coworkers of JWs with questions... there are former dubs from nearly every level of the Organization here...former COs, MTS grads, Gilead grads, elders, etc....

hang around...

Snakes ()

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Who here has just let the JW stuff go?. I NEED HELP GUYS!!!!!!!.................

by oompa in

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....i am so frikkin obsessed about the jw lies and my newfound truths about them, and it is prob driving me crazy or causing depression.....if i wake up in the middle of the night, i never get back to sleep as my mind starts racing about jw crap and how it affects my marriage, and then how can i make this marriage work with her such a hardcore dub....i told my wife i now realize i am an abusive husband.....i must stop talking to her about the real truth!!

!..........it is killing her inside and we have had soooo many bad discussions that turn into arguments......on top of that she says she is now closer to jah and the org than at any other time in her life, that now that she has no positive direction from me, she relies totally on jehovah and prays to him more than ever..... we talked about separation, and that i was going to lose her over our religious differences........i feel so sorry for what i have put her through, and i know that if i can not really shut up with my ohsohelpful comments of truths about this truth she will leave me due to "spiritual endangerment".......and she said she is damm close to that happening.....i told her i knew it to and would so hate to lose her due to our religious differences.

at my recent shepherding call, they said to try and stop focusing on the negatives i have found in jw, and focus on the good things...and that is not a bad idea even if i never go back to meetings....there are good things about dubs....the efforts at ending racism and at least for me, some really good lifelong friends.......even their hope for the future was pretty good to me, even though it is a bunch of crap and i no longer believe the bible is gods word or inspired.....it does have some good suggestions for a happy life and ideas as to how to treat others........but so do just about every holy book of other faiths........ i had plans to start going to some meetings with my wife, but today, after a sleepless night i told her i just dont think i can do it, and just as she strongly believes it is the truth, i do not, and that i think the guys on the gb are not led by holy spirit cause if she will read the proclaimers book, she will see we have never gotten a single bible inerpretation of prophecy correct.......so she says "so what is there?

SnakesInTheTower

oompa...

i feel for you... I am not married...I can only imagine what would have happened if I had married that JW sister from overseas back in 06.... and I was already lurking here... I would have stuck it out in the troof for her because I truly loved her..... but I would have been miserable over the religion thing .... I loved her enough to do it..but I suspect it would have killed me emotionally. The only thing we really had in common was being dubs. She broke it off because of depression and bipolar on her part... she did me a favor in retrospect.

as to your situation... financial and legal considerations aside.... what percentage of your "commonality" or "compatibility" is JW-related and what percentage is NOT JW-related? If the main thing between you is dub, your cover has been blown and you will never be able to pull it off. She will know it, you will know it, and the elders already know it and will keep you under a microscope as a potential apostate..the pressure alone is not worth it. I know..I was an elder that sat on a JC for an accused apostate.... I watched the elders hound him until he finally just admitted it...as much as I tried to deflect the pressure....

If you have a lot more in common with your wife than Dubville, then sit down, let her know that you will never threaten her faith, you will support her by not interfering. As French philosopher Voltaire once said: "I do not agree with a thing you say [or believe ..ie, JW doctrine], but will defend to the death your right to say [or believe] it."

Let your wife know how much you love her and dont want to lose her. Tell her you want to build on the things you do share in common.... and then as Lady Lee said... stop talking to them [about JW doctrine]. You have planted the seeds...if your wife ever wakes up, she will remember that..and she will remember that you didnt try to drag her out....but respected her right to move in her own way in her own time... you didnt wake up and leave overnight...she wont either...

If you can stop talking about JW stuff, and she is agreeable to it, you have something to build your marriage on.

If you cannot stop talking (in her mind bashing) about JW stuff with your wife... starting right now, then your marriage is doomed and it's time to cut your losses now. Sometimes you should do what has been encouraged in the past here....become an ex-EX JW.... being on this forum helps to vent...but also can trap you in the whole "ex-JW" thing.... Out of the frying pan and into the fire...

OK...I am done ranting... hope it makes sense... I wish you well oompa whatever the outcome.

Snakes ()

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local cong to handle all pioneer additions and deletions

by seeking help in

read in letter.

no longer using the branch for permission.. all done locally... am i the only one who heard that?.

old light?

SnakesInTheTower

Less paperwork...plain and simple.

And if you have a BOE being jerks about not letting someone have this "privilege," then it can always be appealed to the CO and then Service.

But why anyone would want to beg to pioneer is beyond me.

Snakes () ...a former pioneer.

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WTF? Anyone else get this?

by AWAKE&WATCHING in

got this in a pm about three days ago so sorry if it's been discussed.

from: scott williams., .

country: ivory coast .

SnakesInTheTower

**waves at A&W**

yeah...been discussed...there were 2 going around here...with open registration also comes that garbage.... Simon already blocked at least 2 I think

Snakes ()

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Potential apostafest

by JimmyPage in

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i've noticed a lot of us live pretty close to each other and could possibly get together.

specifically, i'm talking purple sofa, crazy blonde deb, sacolton, and john doe.

there are likely others in our area too, maybe you guys know who.

SnakesInTheTower

I wanted to try to get one together in the St. Louis, MO area...didnt get many hits..

no time or money to go too far right now..

Snakes ()

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Congregation politics are so bitter precisely because the stakes are so low

by Olin Moyles Ghost in

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though i've never been an elder (thank god), i was raised by one and know several.

it has been my observation that there is a tremendous amount of politics on bodies of elders.

this is probably not a news flash to most of you.. there is a saying that "academic politics are so bitter because the stakes are so low.

SnakesInTheTower

OK..that is cool.... I saved it to my computer... I like the sharks.... we could add the Brooklyn skyline or the WT logo (bible and tower)...

Snakes ()

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I got a memorial invite today!!! whoo hoo!!!

by Finally-Free in

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i found it in my mailbox along with the rest of the junk mail.. i took a set of magazines from a couple of jw women last may thinking i could anti-witness to them when they did a return visit on me.

i was even nice to them, but they never came back.

so now i'm wondering if this memorial invitation was their "return visit" or if they're putting them in everyone's mailbox in an effort to boost their holy statistics by inviting everyone in their "territory".. w.

SnakesInTheTower

In the US, it is illegal to put anything in a mailbox without proper postage... I think the fine is $450. Don't know what the law is in Canada..

I would throw them under the bus...not because I care about following the rules..just to cause WTBTS trouble.

No one sends me an invitation... thankfully....but hey, 17 days to go, right?

Snakes ()