Posts by saywhat29

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Hypothetical Scenario... (Of a CULT, OMG!)

by saywhat29 in

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okay, this hs been going on in my head for a while, and though i should be focusing on my finals and papers, this little scenario keeps playing out in my head and i wonder if it is just my biased that "omgz it's an effing cult!

" or if there is some truth to it.. say they actually did pass out styrofoam cups with 'true christian' kool-aid... and told them that they would be in the new system after they took a swig.... do you think that the majority would do it?

one would always do it in any religion as all have to have their die-hards, but i think the real identifier of a cult is the idea that *most* would and could not help to do so without question.. because i can't help but *know* that my mother, my grandmother, and my sister would be bodies after the end of this little scenario of mine.

saywhat29

Okay, this hs been going on in my head for a while, and though I should be focusing on my finals and papers, this little scenario keeps playing out in my head and I wonder if it is just my biased that "OMGZ It's an effing cult!" or if there is some truth to it.

Say they actually did pass out styrofoam cups with 'True Christian' Kool-aid... and told them that they would be in the new system after they took a swig...

Do you think that the majority would do it? One would always do it in any religion as all have to have their die-hards, but I think the real identifier of a cult is the idea that *most* would and could not help to do so without question.

Because I can't help but *know* that my mother, my grandmother, and my sister would be bodies after the end of this little scenario of mine. Is it me?

What do you all think?

Right now I see old ladies smiling and telling ach other that this was it, and that they were all giong to be young again, and that they could finally see they loved ones resurrected, and that when they woke up they'd be in the new system....

Yeah, I know I really should get to working on my paper....

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You will see Old age

by KW13 in

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i told mum yesterday that i'd carry on my so called 'anti jw' speak when she is an old lady of 80 years old.

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her words "i dont think this system will last that long".. i have a long time to wait but i shall be proven right!.

saywhat29

Sometimes I wanna tell my mom that she wil die an old woman and it'll will be the disgusting homosexual that will probably take care of her...

But then I believe karma will bite me in the ass and somehow she'll outlive me. So if I keep it inside I wil get to gloat to her when she's old...

It's sick I know but I'm an amoral apostate so I can be like that.

Like I picture her stuck in the house in a wheelchair tring to get to a meeting and going, "You wouldn't be doing this to me if I was stuck in this chair!" wacing her watchtower around and then I go-

"But you are stuck in that chair, mother! You are!"

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Hate crime affects everyone...

by avishai in

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a few weeks ago, i was coming home from having a beer with my bro.

when i started having a minor seizure and he had to hold me up.

5-7 guys in the parking lot started calling us faggots.

saywhat29

My problem with hate crime laws is that they create certain privileged classes whom the law tends to consider more worthy of avenging than regular folks, the very antithesis of our cultural foundation that all are equally worthy of protection. Now just why should somebody of a different skin color than mine, or engaging in a lifestyle I object to no moral grounds be considered more meritous than I to have his or her grievance addressed by the government? And just why should their injuries carry a greater penalty than equal injuries of my person? I see no rational reason why that should be so.

That's understandable, but hate crime laws were made or designed to protect or help persecute those attacked since it is not just seen as an attack on *just* that person but on an entire group. You being attacked in the middle of the night and robbed and beaten is messed up but when one is attacked for being a part of a marginalized group then it is a little different because it is not just about that one person or beating, but about them all.

However, I agree with you to an extent in that it does police thought and opinion which is dangerous, and I personally wonder if hate crime laws should carry *more* weight than assault or battery, but I *do* feel to say that there is a big difference in you being beaten just because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time (or why even say that, but people suck these days and are assholes) is different then what avishai and his brother went through as being perceived as being gay and being beaten for it. It's not that his life or my life is more valuable than yours- its just that it is more likely to be attacked and if so and not handled appropriately by athorities (which also has something to do with it because attacks on minorities aren't at times handled appropriate by the folks who are suppose to take care of the situation) and may need a special category.

I agree that its not an easy situation, and yes Hate crimes laws don't really address many issues or take care of them altogether but it attempts to and that's enough and I'd rather have them than not. Plus, how do you feel you are losing out by having them? I mean avishai is straight and if this can happen to him, then isn't it possible that under some situation it could happen to you as well?

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Being prejudiced

by purplesofa in

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growing up, my mother was very prejudiced.

mostly against black people.

i had no choice on the matter of my skin color.

saywhat29

Mrs. Smith, I can relate a little to yourstory.. but a difrent twist.

See, my mother didn't want me to bring home a light-skined black woman and wanted me to bing home a beautiful chocolate girl because she just wasn't very favorable of lightskinned folks. That old light v. dark argument.

maybe I'll bring home a ark chocolate guy instead hmm....

Anyways, yah prejudices are so hard because they are what is taught and at moments they can be so.. habitual that they come out w/o even noticing it. It really sucks, and I think its important to realize that saying your not prejudice or a bigot requires. i don't know, wrok at NOT being it because in some level we all are. I realy don't like when people mae this bold statement that "OMGZ, i'm not racist" when at times even my black ass is and works at it, yet they can somehow make the clea statement to declare how unracist they are and that's it.. all the while letting little bits and pieces of their racist thoguhs slip out from time to time.

Like my favorite to hear is, "I'm not racist BUt.." and they person goes on to spew the most racist trite crap ever and you aen't suppose to say anything because again, they aren't racist...

but well. They are.

And homophobia requires work too 'cause hell eve gay people themsleves with their own desire to be with the same sex need to get use to seeing it. Like I still remember my first same sex kiss I sa that was really serious. I think it was on Six Feet Under between the two characters Keith and David and it made me feel really funny and I laughed. but I said it was gross and wrong and made the straight boy automatic scruncy face and "Eww, wtf" reaction you know?

So yah I think working through prejudices means being honest about them in the first place and working to dismantle themAnd also be willing to forgive others for slips even when its hard because you at times will slip. I know my black friends would kill me for the things I let my white friends say.. now they can't jsut about say 'anything' (and I'm sure we all know like the ultimate 'Hells no' word that will set saywhat up in the motha) but they say crazy stuff w/o realizing its offensive and we talk about it. but what makes me stay around is that they are cool and will listen and work with me even if they don't always understand or agree.

And the really sexist thigns i've said that women have pulld me up on.. yeah, so I think we all should work at prejudices but moreso forgive and try to understand each other.

I feel so martin Luther King Jr. today.... somebody should build a march behind me. The Saywhat march.

Go on. Start working. I've blessed this thread with my... excellence.

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UPDATE ON MY SISTER'S WEDDING

by zamora251978 in

hey guys just an update.

she e-mailed me and said i only had permission to her ceremony.

i did not get an invite.

saywhat29

No offense, but your sisters needs to be hit in the face...

Preferably by you, of course.

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Your current favorite song??

by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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mine is who knew by pink.

heard it first at a funeral saturday-listen closely to the words, very fitting yet upbeat.

fab song & great album: i'm not dead.. .

saywhat29

Oh God, I'm always on Mysapce checing out artists from abroad. Right now I'm feeling this chick from Berling called Dillon.

Her song, "andytown" or something is a remix and it makes me wanna grind against somebody's leg. I like music that makes me wanna grind against somebody's leg... don't know why.

Maybe its bcause I like grinding against people's legs or something and it gives me an exucse to...

whatever!

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Stupid Idiots at the meeting

by B_Deserter in

i was at the sunday meeting today (i know, i know...) and i heard this one guy give a comment about how hollywood movies always portray rich people as happy and successful, so that's proof that satan controls the film industry because it's a lie.. .

i struggled to think of one recent hollywood film that portrayed anyone as being happy, let alone rich and happy.

if they made a movie like this guy was describing, it wouldn't sell.

saywhat29

A-Friggin'-MEN! the coments that I have heard have made my head spin sometimes and all most can do is like, nod and give that complacent "Mmhmm" as if what was said actually made sense.

I've come to regard the WT meeting as nothing but a motherbird vomitting in the mouth of its babies, and the babies, just letting it dribble out of the sides of their mouths, thinking its the best thing in the world because they are too young/inexperienced/blind/needy/etc. to know any better.

I remember one sister who related a story about her mother dying, which is sad, but it was about one of her children leaving Jehovah and how it is put upon the DF'd person for leaving the family and not the family actualy, you know, shunning the person! It was crayz and a part of me wanted to scream becaue you know that is not how it works out, that most people would love to bewith their families and yet still stand their ground in the felings andeliefs that differ from the WTBull$ but can't.

Comments like that get under my skin now that you know the "other sitde" of the Troof.

EDIT: And another thing! I remember one time when going over the WT and how it wa saying something about the Feminist movement that took place in the 60 and 70's and how the article was horribly wrong... but you know for a moment I actually believed *I* was wrog... even after taking a Women's Studies course and knowing about the movement, one paragraph made me believe what I knew was obviously wrong.. and more to te point, I had to thik: I *knew* about the feminist movent and I could hav easily raised my hand and pointed out how the article was wrong (and actually voiced reasonable opinions about the movement besides, 'Independant Women Bad! Grr! They think they Men, Not Good! Families Fall Apart and babies Cry! Waaah!") but I couldn't.

And even after beingon this board, it wa at that moment I realized that something is not right with that place- the power it has over your mind.. where you aren't even allowed to really think or question things... it was really a creepy yet eye-opening moment for me. So let them make crazy ass comments all they want to and read from their crazy magazine- thats how we know that things aren't right and thats how others will come to see they are not right because they trip themselves up.

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How do you feel about funerals?....would you want one?

by restrangled in

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i find funerals and wakes morbid and horribley depressing for all involved.

i just recently attented a celebration of someone's life, after their death.

it was wonderful.

saywhat29

Yeah, I agree funerals are like depessing and stuf, watching people cry and what not. I do't like them.. beause I feel like I have to cry- and i usually do even if I never met the person...

I want my 'funeral' to be a party, with pictures of me everywhere having a good time and a memorial where anybody an get up and say anything about me they want... only good things though (because its my party... eve if I'm not there dammit!). And I want them to sing 5th's Dimensions "Let the Sunshine In" because if I want anybody to take anything from my funeral is to love life and be happy while you can and enjoy the ride.

God I love that song... *listens to it yet again!*

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How Many Sailors are...

by Priest73 in

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on jwd?

i've already talked to one (pm'd rather) but i thought i'd ask.

i keep on sailboat on the chesapeake bay.

saywhat29

Dammit, this thread got me really excited when I first saw it...

And no pictures of sailors of it inside of it. Whatev!

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homosexuals and JWs

by solidergirl in

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i have no problem being around gay people.

but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.

it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.

saywhat29

you know I personally feel its a moot point in trying to prove homosexuality aint that bad from a biblical standpoint when it was. christianity is a religion based on gender polarity and when you have that usually homosexuality conplicates that...

so its better to kill those fags then to think goddammit! Satan is obviously in them anyways!

But from the orignal poster, yeah i hated that it was always teh worst sin; I mean okay its the sin you can't relate to, but the worst? Like adultery is way worst in my mind that homosexuality but.. you know... whatevs.