Posts by Anti-Christ

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Jehovah creates Evil according to Isaiah

by Grammy in

isaiah 45:7 (american standard version)7 i form the light, and create darkness; i make peace, and create evil.

i am jehovah, that doeth all these things.

isaiah 45:7 (king james version) 7 i form the light, and create darkness: i make peace, and create evil: i the lord do all these things.i had never read this scripture before evidently, but i always thought the ot painted an evil god not a loving one.

Anti-Christ

Hebrews 6:16-18 (King James Version)

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16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

but he has said how much he hates the lie.

1 Corinthians 15:50-53 (King James Version)

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50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

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1 Timothy 6:12-16 (King James Version)

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Now my question is, do humans lose their free will when they become immortal? Adam and Eve were not immortal, they died because they sinned. If you cannot die, that must mean you cannot sin. So do you lose your free will when you become immortal?

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WTF?! Yoga according to the WBTS is not acceptable?

by sinis in

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20020801a/article_01.htm.

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jesus christ, hey don't exercise as its demonic... its ok to be a fat bastard....

Anti-Christ

Oh man!!! I had an argument with my dad about this. He found out that I like "yoga" ( I use yoga based streches) he got mad and I said "I don't let the WT think for me anymore"Boy he is going to flip out when he finds out that I won a silver metal at karate.

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Jehovah creates Evil according to Isaiah

by Grammy in

isaiah 45:7 (american standard version)7 i form the light, and create darkness; i make peace, and create evil.

i am jehovah, that doeth all these things.

isaiah 45:7 (king james version) 7 i form the light, and create darkness: i make peace, and create evil: i the lord do all these things.i had never read this scripture before evidently, but i always thought the ot painted an evil god not a loving one.

Anti-Christ

The answer I often get is that he created the "possibility" of evil,like

Jehovah created free will, of which evil is a product.

Ok so evil is a free will thing,so my question to you does god have free will because the bible say it's imposible for him to lie?

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So I don't know where to start, so here is my story........

by hazeleyes in

i've been searching around at all the posts her just reading and trying to figure things out for myself, i just don't know what to do anymore, so i guessed that i'd tell you all my story and hopefully get some kinda answers.

so here goes...... born a jw, have been one all my life, baptized at 13 and was the good little girl in the cong.

when all my friends were up to badness.

Anti-Christ

Hi hazeleyes, sad story hang in there. I agree with Madame Quixote. The elders don't really care, maybe some but they can't really help you.

Sorry but your husban sounds like a real loser. I had a shity childhood but I treat my wife with respect(because I'm totaly inlove with her) we have been maried for almost 10 years. Some people use the bad childhood escuse to treat people badly. Your husban sounds like he has no respect or love for himself so don't espect him to have any for you. Don't give up on yourself or your children.(((((((((hugs))))))))))

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Favourite Biblical verses?

by greendawn in

jw
friends

what are your favourite biblical verses?

even some ex jws may have become atheists but may still be fascinated by some.

someone told me his favourite verse was "thou shalt not go hungry", he was always out of work and liked stealing, but according to him this was one of the commandments given to moses.

Anti-Christ

Thank you gaiagirl for those titles( I know you were talking to Greendawn but I appreciate the sugestions)

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The Faithful and Discreet Slave is an IDOL

by cultswatter in

when i was a dub i remember including the fds in my prayers because i did what all the other dubs were doing.

little did i know that i was worshipping and idol.

the fact is the fds does not exist other than in the mind of the brainwashed victim.

Anti-Christ

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

Anti-Christ

This need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals
on this board that subscribe to such. The questions stated are not for some
“firefight”, but rather, why individuals feel the way they do.
Your Description Of What An Atheist Is And Is Not
For the sake of clarity, I am not an individual that subscribes, supports or approves
any religion. I am seeking your perspective on atheism and if there are any differing
viewpoints or opinions about it.
Respectfully,
The Wanderer

Sorry Wanderer we did turn this in a "firefight".

Ok so to aswer your question I know that atheism is somebody who does not beleive in god. Wen I was jw beleiver I had many wrong assomptions about atheist. They are not angry or mad at god, they are reasonable ,they are nice normal people. I think it's not that they don't "whant" to beleive in god, so far what I see here is they don't see the logic in god and it's understandible. I'm not sure about god but I'm sure he is not the god of the bible, but if he is ( I could be wrong ) I rather go to hell then serve him.

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

Anti-Christ

Vinny. Who ever said I was an atheist?

I'm going to answer SOME of your questions later. Tank you for your answers

Yet you have ZERO answers to MY NUMEROUS QUESTIONS. I wonder why that is so? You are no better than the others here. NO meaningful contribution to support atheism. NO meaningful contribution to rebutt creationism. That's the way it goes on on this thread again and again over and over.

I'm not here to support anything, plus you assume to know what I believe, I'm here to talk and get diverent point of views. I only answer to things I feel like, but again thank you for your answers even if I don't agree with every thing you say.

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

Anti-Christ

Additionally, the second line of argument is that practically ALL physicists, astronomers, scientists etc. DO believe and DO teach that the universe DID HAVE A BEGINNING. TIME, it is also believed and taught, began when the universe began. We keep track of time today in terms of seconds, minutes, years decades, centuries, millenniums etc, all based on the earths rotation around the sun. Time, it is believed and taught does have a beginning.

I'm sorry but that is not acurate. There is no absolut proof that the univers has a beginnig. I'm not an expert so I'll cut and past some informations.

Does Big Bang Cosmology Prove the Universe Had a Beginning? (2000)

Mark I. Vuletic

There are a number of arguments for the existence of God which depend, at least in part, upon the notion that the universe had a beginning. Sometimes apologists appeal to Big Bang cosmology to support that notion. For instance, according to Christian apologist Phil Fernandes:

The big bang model also teaches that the universe had a beginning. In 1929, astronomer Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe is expanding at the same rate in all directions. As time moves forward, the universe is growing apart. This means that if one goes back in time the universe would be getting smaller and smaller. Eventually, if one goes back far enough into the past, the entire universe would be what scientists call "a point of infinite density." This marks the beginning of the universe, the big bang.[1]

It is perfectly understandable that Fernandes and many others would make such an argument--as far as I can tell, the argument was commonplace among scientists and science writers long before religious apologists picked it up. However, the argument is incorrect. In saying so, I am not saying anything novel or unorthodox--rather, I am just repeating what cosmologists have long known yet somehow failed to communicate adequately to the public, as much as they may have tried. I will try to explain myself in the rest of this paper. The details may sound technical on a first reading, since I will be making reference to general relativity and quantum mechanics, but the main point is actually quite schematic, and I believe it should be understandable to anyone.[2]

So what does Big Bang cosmology tell us?

As Fernandes correctly notes, the universe is expanding. Using the general theory of relativity, we can therefore infer from this data that the universe should be smaller and smaller as one looks back into the past. However, this works only up to a point.[3] There is a point in time called the "Planck time" (after the late physicist Max Planck, one of the pioneers of quantum mechanics) before which our ability to infer the behavior of the universe on the basis of general relativity alone is destroyed. The problem is that prior to the Planck time, the universe is so small that quantum mechanical effects become very important. Therefore, a correct description of the behavior of the universe prior to the Planck time requires a synthesis of quantum mechanics and general relativity--a theory of quantum gravity, in other words. And to this date, no full theory of quantum gravity has been developed, much less attained the consensus status that post-Planck-time Big Bang theory enjoys. Without such a theory, we cannot draw from cosmology any conclusions about whether the universe had a beginning or not.[4]

You could read the rest on internet infidels, just search for Planck time.

For one thing, the bible, (the same source as mentioned above which does offer sound reasons to believe it is from a higher source than man, in my opinion as well as many others)

Do you whant to answer my previous question about that?

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

jw
friends

the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

Anti-Christ

There is SECULAR testimony as well, that Christ did exist and did perform miraculous events.

Christ existed, maybe but secular testimony of miraculous events? Can you prove that?

Well that old book The bible, in my opinion, is a reliable source of information even now, today in 2007. It CLAIMS to be authored by God. There is an abundance of evidence that it COULD be authored by God. Here is a very short list of reasons why I believe the bible is from God and thus a reliable, trustworthy source of information today, which I have benefitted from too many times mention:

There are more evidence to prove that it could not be.

The information contained is also very practical for those that wish to believe it and apply it. The Golden Rule for example. Children obeying their parents is another. Husbands loving their wives as their own bodies makes good marriages even better. And answer when mild turns away rage is a proven valuable principle in life

NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.)

NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.

DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.

EX 21:7-11 A father can sell a daughter into slavery to pay a debt. A daughter sold into slavery is not released at the end of six years as is an ordinary male slave.

EX 21:20-21 A slave owner is to be punished if he strikes his slave and the slave dies shortly thereafter. If the slave lives a day or to and then dies, the slave owner is not to be punished. A slave is the same as money to his owner.

Now I find it weird wen people who believe the bible is from a LOVING god ignore these verses. How are these laws so valuble?

The bible's statement that the earth is "ROUND", and that it "HANGS UPON NOTHING", though men at that time believed the earth was FLAT, again adds value to the claim that it is from a higher source than MERE MEN.

Round does not mean sphere. Wen you look at the sun and the moon you see that they are round. Not all people in that time believed the earth was flat. You should do more reseach on history and ancient belief.