I haven't been here on JWN in several months. I had an urge to log on tonight and saw this horrible news. I'm typing this through tears. The first private message I ever received on this board was from him and it was funny and sweet. He was one of a kind and the world is a colder place without him. This horrible religion is a wolf in sheep's clothing and they will pay sorely one day.
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SAD news about OOMPA......
by redredrose inour friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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What makes you think FREE Will is a "gift" when all it can do is get you in trouble??
That just absolutely does not make sense to me. But, then again, I don't see "God" as a cruel judgemental entity, so I probably don't belong in this discussion at all.
I see Free Will as an evolutionary stage when Divine Consciousness gave its creation a choice to find its own path and seek its own destiny. Since we all have a spark of DC, we can resonate with it and align our individual free will with it and follow a righteous path (the way of love). We don't know what the end result is, do we? We can only speculate. But, a life well-lived can only add to the betterment of humanity and its forward evolution.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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journey-on
Well, I have to disagree. It's a bit of both. But, I would say free will choices effect us much more than unforeseen circumstances. Most people just have difficulty in tracing back the first-cause action that resulted in the reactive event.
But, as I said earlier, I think Free Will on the wider scale of humanity is what is the issue: Mankind's gift of the puppet strings being snipped.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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journey-on
Assuming you're still alive...
That's right, sizemik. You decide to go on a midnight joy ride with your half-drunk dope-smoking buddy and he makes an idiotic decision to play chicken with an oncoming car. There's your time and unforeseen circumstance. You were with the wrong person at the wrong time in the wrong situation. But, still, YOU decided to get in the car with him.
We don't know how far and wide The Butterfly Effect extends, do we?
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Is there ANY JW belief/doctrine that has remained the same from start to now?
by journey-on ini was trying to think of one teaching or doctrine that has remained consistent from the society's inception to now, and couldn't.
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can you give me one?.
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cofty....I did not know that Russell advocated people stay in whatever church they found themselves in.
(You learn something new everyday on this board).
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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sizmik: "time and unforeseen circumstances befall them all."
That's right. Everything is in motion, all is going according to plan, and sometimes suddenly, there is a glitch. I believe you have a window of time before your path is set based on a particular choice you made (or didn't make) and you have hurdles sometimes in your way because of the choices of others that intersect with yours. But you always have free will.....you can retreat from the obstacle, jump over it and keep going, or change directions. It is ALL up to you.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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journey-on
N.drew....Thank you and thank you for that thought-provoking post. One thing, though...Why is resistance a bad vibration? (Think transformer)
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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journey-on
It is not "free will" if it was not really decided in a completely free manner by the human. It is not really "free will" if the human is influenced
by outside sources,
Let me put on my literal Bible hat for a moment.
It was decided in a completely free manner by the human. How is it not really free will just because there are outside sources tempting you? We make free will choices and decisions every day with outside influences all around us. For instance, you may know that you really really enjoy a certain recreational drug, but you know there will be consequences if you meet up with your buddies behind the school and indulge. You have a choice. Say no, not today....or, indulge your desire and risk the consequences. Free Will at work. Just because your free will choice might result in suspension, fines, jail time, etc. does not mean that you did not have free will to choose the path you would take.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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journey-on
Never mind....I'm not thinking typical mainstream Bible interpretation which is where I think Terry wants to take this. I see Free Will differently just as I see God differently.
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Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument
by Terry inthis is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.
if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.
oh--that free will maguffin!.
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journey-on
So, one is free to suffer his own consequences or reap his own rewards by the choices he/she makes. How is that not free will?