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  re-enforcing the shunning of immediate family - WT 7-15-11

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  july 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).

  god's rest - have you entered into it?.

  subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.

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  journey-on

  the WT is the North Korea of religions.

  May I use that one? It says so much without a lot of words.
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  Natural affection vs. Love --- Did the WTS get it wrong?

  by journey-on in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt org.

  is leading their flock away from the truth rather than toward it, imo.

  the wts is stealing that from them.. what jw's do to their family members who leave the org is not natural.

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  journey-on

  yet these

  were the type of people the JW's were tellin' me to avoid, yes they were tellin'

  me to avoid the ones who had always shown me unconditional love.

  wasblind, if they would stop and really think about it, they would see this. But, they have been blinded and can't see.

  Morbidzbaby: I liked your further elaboration on the paraphrased scripture. They truly do fit the entire mold, don't they? But, again, they are blinded to the truth.

  and i might add if you were to point this out to them, they would close their eyes

  You are so right, jeckle. Not only do they not have eyes to see, but neither do they have ears to hear. They are being lead astray. Pity.
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  Natural affection vs. Love --- Did the WTS get it wrong?

  by journey-on in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt org.

  is leading their flock away from the truth rather than toward it, imo.

  the wts is stealing that from them.. what jw's do to their family members who leave the org is not natural.

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  journey-on

  The WT org. is leading their flock away from the truth rather than toward it, imo. The weak-minded, thinking they are following God's direction through this group of men called the governing body, are actually being lead astray. Christ said this would happen, and the weak would fall prey to it.

  Take the scripture that says (paraphrasing) in the last days there would be no natural affection. Of course, the WTS has spun this. But, take a moment to really think about it. What is the difference between Love and Natural Affection?

  My sister, who is a fanatical JW, shuns our brothers (d'fd) and half-way shuns me (not d'fd). She is cold and aloof and sanctimonious regarding her so-called spiritual health, always striving to make points by going the extra mile to shun. She says things like: "I love my brothers, but they made the choice to leave Jehovah." She hasn't spoken to them in years, and when she talks to me, she never asks about them, and she keeps our conversations to a bare minimum, never showing one ounce of sincere caring toward me nor them. She never visits and always has other things to do if I invite her to my home. Our conversations are mundane.

  My point is that it is easy for them to use the word, LOVE. Love is a multi-layered thing. It goes beyond emotion.

  NATURAL AFFECTION, however, is physical....up close and personal. It implies touching, hugging, warmth you can demonstrate such as the kind Mary showed Jesus when she washed his feet with her hair. The WTS is stealing that from them.

  What JW's do to their family members who leave the org is not natural. Families should deal with each other through all kinds of issues, heartaches, strains, disagreements, etc. It's natural. You can be angry with family members, disappointed at times, not speak for awhile, etc., but to shun is unnatural. So when they say, "we still love you", but continue to shun, they are the ones showing no natural affection, the very thing foretold would happen.

  It's a pity, isn't it?
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  re-enforcing the shunning of immediate family - WT 7-15-11

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  july 15th wt study edition (regular dumb edition, not the dumber one).

  god's rest - have you entered into it?.

  subheading, when someone we love leaves jehovah.

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  journey-on

  Mind games! Unbelievable! "Only son"..."exemplary Christian couple"..."the parents had no choice in the matter".

  Other words that come to mind when reading between the lines of this drivel: sinister and surreptitious.

  The WTS plays their flock like a fiddle. They play God by messing with family bonds.
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  Got the personal Memorial invite last night.

  by wobble in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we were sitting on the patio out the back of the house having acouple of drinks before we went out for a meal, i can't eat on an empty stomach, have to have a drink first !.

  the doorbell rang, i answered it, and it was a "sister" i have known all my 61 years of life, with a mem.

  invite in her hand, i told her to keep it, we already had one.

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  journey-on

  I pity them.

  (wink wink)....I'm so proud of you, Wobble, for exercising one of the fruitages of the spirit....self-control.
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  Prayers for my daughter, Ali, not a good update

  by coffee_black in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my last update on my daughter was so good...but it didn't turn out that way.

  she was cleared to go back to work, but with limitations... she couldn't lift more than 10 pounds.

  her employer wanted her back but wouldn't agree to the lifting restriction.

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  My thoughts are with you, Coffee, and your daughter. Stay strong, stay positive. Helen Keller said the world is full of suffering but it is also full of the overcoming of it......journey-on
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  Has your anger turned to pity?

  by journey-on in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting through the tough steps toward real freedom from the wts involves a lot of work for some.

  many, start out angry that their authentic lives were hampered by a high-control group of men posing as god's organization.

  we feel robbed of something we can't quite put our finger on sometimes.

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  Great responses....and so varied and insightful. We are all so diverse in how we use words to express our feelings.

  I have realized that my pity has a bit of contempt mixed with sorrow for them. It may even be a bit of condescending sympathy, so perhaps I'm no better than LT's friend. But, that's what pity is, isn't it? I can't say (yet) that I have compassion for them or empathy......Maybe I need to work on that, but for now, it's pity that I feel. Does that make me a bad person?
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  Has your anger turned to pity?

  by journey-on in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting through the tough steps toward real freedom from the wts involves a lot of work for some.

  many, start out angry that their authentic lives were hampered by a high-control group of men posing as god's organization.

  we feel robbed of something we can't quite put our finger on sometimes.

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  journey-on

  My gosh, LT! Your friend's email has so much "hidden" condescension in it!! It's unbelievably arrogant. As brilliant as you are with words, you should reply back.

  I have read the other responses and want very much to address a couple of your thoughts, but have to leave for now. Will return later in the day.

  (Pity is one of those words with many layers of emotion attached to it, but I still think that's what I'm feeling.)
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  Has your anger turned to pity?

  by journey-on in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting through the tough steps toward real freedom from the wts involves a lot of work for some.

  many, start out angry that their authentic lives were hampered by a high-control group of men posing as god's organization.

  we feel robbed of something we can't quite put our finger on sometimes.

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  journey-on

  The GB gets no pity from me - only contempt

  I wonder though, Sylvia, if the GB aren't also pawns being used by the real powers behind the scenes. If they are the real manipulators, then, of course, there is NO PITY for them. But, something tells me there are "big business" people calling the shots and manipulating the others.

  But some are so sanctimonious and self-righteous that my pity is not wasted on them. Some of these types are people that I wouldn't like no matter what religion or lifestyle they were. Their core personality pisses me off. And it's those people a lot of times who seem to lead the way in forcing the dogmatic approach to JWism and life itself in the congregations, which makes me mad, because it affects those that I do pity and hope to reach one day.

  I hear 'ya, undercover! But even those people have my pity because most of them are and would be nothing if they didn't have "position" in their congregation. In the congregation, they can be a big fish in a small pond, whereas, in the real world they would be less than a minnow most probably in the huge ocean.
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  Has your anger turned to pity?

  by journey-on in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  getting through the tough steps toward real freedom from the wts involves a lot of work for some.

  many, start out angry that their authentic lives were hampered by a high-control group of men posing as god's organization.

  we feel robbed of something we can't quite put our finger on sometimes.

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  journey-on

  Getting through the tough steps toward REAL freedom from the WTS involves a lot of work for some. Many, start out angry that their authentic lives were hampered by a high-control group of men posing as God's organization. We feel robbed of something we can't quite put our finger on sometimes.

  We may not only become angry with the "religion", but angry with ourselves for allowing them to manipulate us, divide our family, use us (our labor, our $$, our hearts) and otherwise deceive us. (Well, we WERE told that there would be those who come as angels of light but are really wolves in sheep's clothing.) Those with half a brain that begin to see through it all sometimes become deeply hurt at all the losses and have difficulty getting on track emotionally.

  I'm way past the angry stage. But, this morning I got an email from a friend (a "weak" yet still-believing JW) preaching to me about how close the end is and how earthquakes are occurring on one place after another....blah blah blah blah blah. And, make sure I attend the Memorial (the only meeting my friend ever attends anymore).

  Then after reading some of the threads this morning regarding some of the new articles in the Watchtower about apostates, shunning family, etc. I just felt an overwhelming sense of true PITY for them.

  I looked up the meaning of "pity" and I just want to mass mail to every JW a sympathy card, especially my friend who has never been able to cut that last thread of hope that keeps her going every April to her one meeting.

  Just venting a little this morning on this board to keep from sending a sarcastic email back to her.