honestly: i perceive a lot of jw-thinking in this forum, primarily from those of us who are exjw.. the us/them mentality.
right/wrong, black/white, everything the wts said and did must be wrong.
also, active jws that post here are typically characterized as idiots, or just plain ignored.. i've not come this far, just to fall back into the same judgmental attitudes in which i was raised.. don't take me wrong; i certainly believe in calling a spade a spade.
J2L:
Yup. I'm assuming Craig is specifically referring to the we're right / you're wrong and B/W attitudes of Jehovah's Witnesses. The tendency is for x-jw's to use the same type of mentality, just from the opposite side of the trench.
However, what I'm (and I think Six) referring to is the other other extreme, where an x-jw will reject any and all forms of we're right / you're wrong and B/W thinking. As usual, reality lies somewhere in the middle.
Expatbrit
i recently got a free months subscription to yahoo singles.
at first i wasn't going to do it and then thought what the heck.
i posted it yesterday and have received 7 replies so far.
Robyn:
Very nice ad.
So nice in fact, that I took the liberty of emailing it to all the members of one of the charities I work with: HOOWEE! (This stands for Horny Old Octogenarians With Endless Energy.) Hope you don't mind.....
Expatbrit
honestly: i perceive a lot of jw-thinking in this forum, primarily from those of us who are exjw.. the us/them mentality.
right/wrong, black/white, everything the wts said and did must be wrong.
also, active jws that post here are typically characterized as idiots, or just plain ignored.. i've not come this far, just to fall back into the same judgmental attitudes in which i was raised.. don't take me wrong; i certainly believe in calling a spade a spade.
Craig:
Do you mind, I'm trying to form a clique with Six here!...lol
when you see a post from somebody who you just suspect is a troll, or on a subject that just sounds JW, how do you feel inside?
Good question. I feel like I want to blast 'em. Point out that they are using "JW thinking" blah blah. Occasionally I'll type a reply doing just that, then sit back and think "hang on, is it really "JW thinking"?
For instance, if I think someone is using black/white thinking, the reaction can kick in. I want to blast them for using WT black/white thinking. But then, is black/white thinking just used by JW's? And is black/white thinking always a wrong mode of thought? (Btw, if your answer to either of those questions is Yes, you're using black/white thinking...lol)
The reality is that everyone uses B/W thinking to a certain extent. It is necessary for everyday life. It is even protective in some cases. Thus it is a moderate facet of human thinking. Again, the WT magnifies this to an extreme, making just about everything a B/W decision.
Is that as clear as mud?
Expatbrit
i am so fed up with this whole europe thing.
i as a british person do not feel that it is fair that we are not being given the right to vote as to wether we go into europe full hog and the euro so that we can lose our status as a country !
get higher taxes etc to support the poorer countries.
France and Germany are the driving force behind all this European federalisation business, first economically, now moving into the political sphere.
France and Germany are also the two countries who between them have spent most of the past 400 years trying to achieve European hegemony.
It amazes me how many people don't connect the two. It didn't work militarily and individually, so now they're trying it together economically and politically. Same objective though. Don't ever forget that when French politicians say "Europe" they mean "France".
That's why they hate the Anglos so much, of course. It's always the Anglos that get in the way.First Britain with its centuries old policy of maintaining a balance of power on the European mainland while becoming the most powerful of the imperial empires, then the US with its "informal" economic empire and military supremacy. And both of them together making English culture and thought-modes dominant in the modern world.
Hence we get the gnashing of Franco-German teeth, such as the recent Iraq fiasco, which had nothing to do with Iraq, and everything to do with trying to hobble Anglo power.
Britain doesn't belong in Europe. It has far more in common with the other countries of the Anglophone world. As Margaret Thatcher said, in her lifetime all the problems came from Europe, and all the solutions from the English speaking world.
Expatbrit
honestly: i perceive a lot of jw-thinking in this forum, primarily from those of us who are exjw.. the us/them mentality.
right/wrong, black/white, everything the wts said and did must be wrong.
also, active jws that post here are typically characterized as idiots, or just plain ignored.. i've not come this far, just to fall back into the same judgmental attitudes in which i was raised.. don't take me wrong; i certainly believe in calling a spade a spade.
None of this behaviour you describe is remotely WT, imo. If anything, it shows just how much witnesses, underneath the brainwashing (yes brainwashing ), are just like everybody else.
I agree with Six. The way cults work is by taking ordinary moderate aspects of human behaviour and magnifying them to extremes. Take shunning for example. Pretty much every person will tend to avoid others who they don't like or have very little in common with. The JW's take this moderate behaviour, and magnify it into disfellowshipping and dhunning of family members.
Often the tendency for x-jw's is to react to any behaviour they see that even remotely resembles a Watchtower extreme. They thus end up rejecting average moderate beahviour, and start a pattern of extreme reactions (for instance, claiming that having their account deleted from a discussion board is "disfellowshipping"). "You're still using Watchtower thinking" is a hugely overused phrase, imo, whereas often what is being used is human thinking, quite moderately.
Expatbrit
hi all just visiting to give you all a push in the right direction...i'm chris from italy and came across this site by chance and was shocked to see so many apostates that were once witnesses..come on you know that jehovah is our loving god and that your only saying these things to justify your descions to break away from the word of god.babylon the great is has almost fallen!
!then what peace and security and the end will come!for crying out loud there already starting the road map to peace and security!!
i hope with all my hart that the few people that have been influenced by this world have the humility to turn back while ther's still time....peace to you all and sta mi bene.
Chris:
Welcome to the board, paesano. I think you'll find that there are rather a lot of the risvegliato here. Nessun dorma, quite often....lol
You'll probably find that you'll get some negative responses, but I hope that you'll stick around to give your point of view.
Expatbrit
1. according to art.
art 1.
art 1.
a technique which is able to destroy an individual's identityUm....
finding the abuses concerning the medical profession
Watchtower....
verifying the use of unlawful methods of mind manipulation in order to indoctrinate followers
you'd.....
concern to physic, psychic and moral damages undergone by former followers and underage people
better.....
conditions or forces other people's will so to create a state of subjections that destroys or limits the freedom to act, the ability to decide and to escape other people's decisions, will be punished being confined for a period from six to twelve years.
start.....
An aggravating circumstance can be seen if, with the means mentioned in paragraph 1, the victim is lead to perform actions that are dangerous for himself or for other people's physic or psychic integrity
RUNNING.....
If the facts mentioned in paragraph 1 and 2 concern a person who is under 18 years of age, the sentence cannot be less than 10 years of confinement
NOW!!!!!
How much would you like to bet that the Watchtower joins forces with its good friends the Mormons, Scientologists and Moonies to oppose this. You can almost here the whines of "attacking our freedom of religion!" now.
Expatbrit
in an upcoming watchtower study article about youth's, it is brought out that young witnesses never hesitate to acknowledge the fact they are " one of jehovah's witnesses" when asked.
and to be prepared to "make a defense" to anyone asking the reason behind their faith.
and also are admonished (witnessism) to not ever have a "fear of man".
That's an interesting point. Thank you for sharing your insights on the latest Watchtower articles. You realize no-one will respond to you, because you did'nt pose an interesting question. Realize my dear friend, in order to receive feedback from this board you need to post interesting topics such as "What toys did you play with as a child?" or "When was your first kiss?" You must understand my friend that these are the topics that people respond to on this forum. If you wish to get responses stick to venomous bashing of witnesses. And please leave current topics such as the latest news from the mags and "Hall" to people who have been OUT of the org for a few years. They are the ones we wish to get our info from. NOT some guy who still attends meetings once in a while, and reads the mags to get the latest "light". We really don't care what people who can share the insights that only people on the inside can offer, have to say here. Whether or not you are bailing on the org or not. Your insights are not welcome my friend. Now if you post a question on masturbation techniques...We'll be here to give you our two cents. Thanks, Buddy. P.S: I't would help if on further posts that you close with an obligatory "All witnesses are shitheads".
LOL!!! I've decided that I like you, Integ.
That doesn't mean I'll post to all your threads though.
Expatbrit
i know some of you hate the idea of jwd being like a congregation but just for fun, let's imagine who would "serve" as the elders (presiding overseer, secretary, service overseer) etc.
and what "privileges" you would be given.
I would be the guy getting reproved in the library for making jokes that the elders consider "inappropriate for a Christian."
Expatbrit
oxford reference dictionary: .
kingdom n. 1. a territory or state ruled by a king or queen; a domain.
2 , the most inclusive taxonomic category consisting of a number of phyla (in zoology) or divisions (in botany).. .
Because "whacked out family-destroying killing kids with nutty medical crap and covering up child molestors cult hall" doesn't roll off the tongue quite so easily.
Expatbrit
