Joel:
I do adhere to the circumcision
You wont catch me "adhering" that part of my body to anything, matey. Sounds like the stuff of nightmares!
Jan:
But feeding the trolls is so much fun. It's so amusing the way they snarl and drool!
Expatbrit
an interesting scripture reminds us to be careful of those that question every good thing that the f&ds does:.
titus 1:10-16 .
"10 for there are many unruly men, profitless talkers, and deceivers of the mind, especially those men who adhere to the circumcision.
Joel:
I do adhere to the circumcision
You wont catch me "adhering" that part of my body to anything, matey. Sounds like the stuff of nightmares!
Jan:
But feeding the trolls is so much fun. It's so amusing the way they snarl and drool!
Expatbrit
an interesting scripture reminds us to be careful of those that question every good thing that the f&ds does:.
titus 1:10-16 .
"10 for there are many unruly men, profitless talkers, and deceivers of the mind, especially those men who adhere to the circumcision.
those that question every good thing that the F&DS does:
What about those who question every bad thing that the F&DS does?
Expatbrit, trying to think of some good things they've done
ok, america, this is it.
you have got to start learning english english at some point or another, after all, us brits are having to learn american english to be able to understand all those films (movies) about how you saved our arses (butts) during the 1939 -1945 (1941 - 1945) war.. now we all know the obvious ones, such as you calling a car bonnet the hood, the boot is the trunk and a spanner being a wrench etc etc.
plus the fact that you eat fries instead of chips and spread mayo instead of butter.
Personally I think we should all speak whatever language it was that has "Kirap!" as the translation of "Awake!". Those guys obviously have a bright future.
And Mulan, I remember being shocked a fanny when I first emigrated. "A pat on the fanny". Aaarrrgghhhh!!!!
Expatbrit
ok, america, this is it.
you have got to start learning english english at some point or another, after all, us brits are having to learn american english to be able to understand all those films (movies) about how you saved our arses (butts) during the 1939 -1945 (1941 - 1945) war.. now we all know the obvious ones, such as you calling a car bonnet the hood, the boot is the trunk and a spanner being a wrench etc etc.
plus the fact that you eat fries instead of chips and spread mayo instead of butter.
Cosmo:
What would Americans be speaking if it wasn't for the English?
Expatbrit
i got this letter today from a friend of my dad who i have not seen in years.
please respond to any or all of it as you see fit.
it pretty much sums up witness mentality.
Openminded:
He did say one useful thing however:
But if you do not want to discuss it just send me a note and tell me to stuff it.
Is this a person who you really want to try and maintain a relationship with? Will it ever be a harmonious relationship?
If not, the above is a fairly good option. Should this action have repurcussions then why reply at all? The fact is, if you don't respond to his persuasion you'll be in a corner, and that will lead to friction with your family. Make them play to your agenda, not the other way around.
Expatbrit
i am thinking about becoming a jehovas witness.
i saw on this one show where two jws got in a car accident and needed blood but wouldn't take it.
a jw pastor, i think got up and said that our creator would be greatly offended by this practice.
Rocket:
As CRBloss points out, the choice is yours. And make no mistake, this is a life-altering decision. Which means that you have a lot of research ahead. One thing I would urge you: do not let anyone try to stop you asking questions or finding out information. In order to make a balanced decision, you have to know both the pros and the cons of your options, in this case, whether or not to become a Jehovah's Witness.
Your information can come from a number of sources. If you are serious about the JW's, one will conduct a "study" with you using one or more of the Watchtower publications. Again, make sure you ask questions. Do not let yourself be sidetracked, or diverted away from your questions onto other subjects. With such a major decision, you need straight and understandable answers. You may find your study conductor reluctant to answer questions on subjects such as shunning, the blood issue, or how to view non-JW family members, or issues such as Watchtower policy on child-abuse. Do not let yourself be distracted from getting answers. Ask questions to boards such as this and compare the answers you receive here to the answers your local JW's give.
You will find a lot of information on the internet, such as the sites listed at the bottom of this page. Most of these sites are created by people who were previously Jw's, and so many of them present the con side of the issue. You may wish to see how your local JW's answer some of the issues raised in these websites.
Finally, since you mentioned the question of whether JW's are a cult, why not do some research on cults and how they operate? Materials will not necessarily mention the JW's, so you can view them as a neutral source of information. See how cults operate, then compare what you see in the JW organisation and how you are treated.
Finally, I am an ex-JW, trying to "fade away" from this organisation without incurring the shunning of my wife and family. I say this so you can put my post in context with my status regarding the JW's, since obviously my viewpoint is coloured by this.
Remember that the decision is yours. Please do not be pressured into actions you are not entirely clear about or sure of.
Expatbrit
did anyone who received this wt ,notice that loyalty was only extended to the org, marriage mates and family 'who are believers' the rest of you moms and dads sisters and brothers,etc.
you're out in the cold.. the article is titled,'what does it mean to be loyal?'....
is this damage control?
Thanks everyone for the quotes and comments. This thread is a keeper for future use with jw family members.
Expatbrit
hello i am 14 years old and i am a jehovah wittness.
i would like to talk to a actual wittness that i can relate to, i can never find any real ones on.
well please reply if you are or email me at [email protected]
Princess:
Try addressing a post to Fredhall. He's a wittness.
Expatbrit
q: what takes place in the local congregations when you post hundreds of copies of this (below)in many locations around the city?.
a: see bottom of page for answer.... .
if i had known, before i joined,.
Bx:
Congratulations on giving some grief to dozens of poxy elders!
A question: what are the general legal guidelines for putting up flyers in public places? Is a permit required, and, if a permit is obtained, would it not be illegal for the JW's to unilaterally take down these flyers?
In which case, having said elders arrested with scraper in hand would provide so much more pain and bad publicity to the bastards in the WT.
Expatbrit
rather an interesting essay:.
comment:keep god out of public affairs: religion will never provide a moral framework for technological change, argues the distinguished philosopher, a.c. grayling , who says the state must sever all support for all faith-based groups and events in order .
the observer - united kingdom; aug 12, 2001. by a.c. grayling.
Tracy and Dana:
For me, the most interesting phrase in this essay was:
It is only where religion is on the back foot, reduced to a minority practice, with an insecure tenure in society, that it presents itself as essentially peaceful and charitable.
Religion is about power, pure and simple. Power over other humans, using violence, fear and guilt to control them. Religionists will use whatever tactics they deem necessary, no matter how dishonest or unethical or downright inhuman, to achieve their goals, and, as this writer points out, when they're down on their luck, they present themselves as charitable and beneficial to society in order to preserve themselves and their resources. We are seeing the WT adopt this tactic with it's donations of medical technology and harping on it's disaster relief operations, supposedly available to all and sundry.
I don't think there will ever be a point that all humans are treated and viewed as equal by all other humans. We are predatory and competitive animals, after all, with selfish genes. We are advancing, though, minimizing our animalistic tendencies, and areas of the world that show the most advancement also show the greatest decline in religion. Yes, if religion were removed entirely, probably other methods would be used for divisiveness, but I think not so destructive as religion. The day the WT fears, when society in general rids itself of parasitic religion, will be a huge step forward for humanity, in my view.
Expatbrit