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many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

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Warning! Free thinking dead ahead! Those easily offended please turn around and head to the nearest exit!
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God sees that not punishing Satan didn't work so well, so he lets Adam and Eve have it both barrels? Hmmm. So, that would make JH rather like the governing body...changing the rules as he goes along? JH makes mistakes? Hmmmm. God isn't perfect then? <By mankinds standards that is> What a novel idea!

It seems to me that religion, no matter what name it calls itself is only mankinds way of trying to understand that which he cannot. His way of trying to come up with answers for questions that are beyond his comprehension. Religion and superstition are basically synonomous.

That is why a religion is so offensive when it tries to claim that *IT* is the only true way.
There have been countless belief systems, of people through the ages, claiming to have the secret to understanding God and the universe. I cannot see that ANY organized religion has proved to be of benefit to all those who adhere to it exclusively.

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"One Persons Heresy Is Anothers Truth"

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Another WOL "Gem"

by thinker in

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first a quoted post from w.o.l.

why we sometimes adjust our beliefs .

when a watchman is posted on the watchtower, he must report all perceived approaching threats.

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Oh, and for all those JWs out there who think that the WTBTS doesn't think that only Jehovah's Witness are going to make it through armageddon, check out this gem from the 9/15/88 WT:

JEHOVAH'S "watchman" is speaking God's message right now. Are you listening? Your very life depends on your responding to that message with appreciation and action. Soon, 'the nations will know Jehovah' when he sanctifies his holy name by destroying this wicked system and preserving his people. Do you hope to be among them? (Ezekiel 36:23; 39:7; 2 Peter 3:8-13) You may be, but only if you listen when Jehovah's "watchman" speaks.

Yikes! Sounds like that's what they meant!

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Another WOL "Gem"

by thinker in

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first a quoted post from w.o.l.

why we sometimes adjust our beliefs .

when a watchman is posted on the watchtower, he must report all perceived approaching threats.

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Hi amicus, did some searching and here is one that is close: It is from the 8/15/97 WT

13 In the meantime, we do well to heed the direction given by the 'faithful slave.' (Matthew 24:45) For over a hundred years, the modern-day "slave" has faithfully served as a "watchman." (Ezekiel 3:17-21) The Watchtower of January 1, 1984, explained: "This watchman observes how events are developing on earth in fulfillment of Bible prophecy, sounds the warning of an impending 'great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning' and publishes 'good news of something better.'"-Matthew 24:21; Isaiah 52:7.

14 Remember: It is a watchman's job to call out "just what he sees." (Isaiah 21:6-8) In Bible times a watchman would sound a warning even when the potential threat was too far in the distance to be clearly identified. (2 Kings 9:17, 18) False alarms surely occurred back then. But a good watchman would not hold back out of fear of embarrassment. If your house was on fire, how would you feel if the firemen failed to appear because they figured it might be a false alarm? No, we expect such men to respond quickly to any sign of danger! In a similar manner, the watchman class has spoken out as circumstances seemed to warrant doing so.

15 As events develop, though, our understanding of prophecy has become clearer. History shows that rarely, if ever, are divine prophecies fully understood before their fulfillment. God told Abram exactly how long his seed would be "an alien resident in a land not theirs," namely, 400 years. (Genesis 15:13) Moses, however, offered himself as deliverer prematurely.-Acts 7:23-30.

16 Consider also the Messianic prophecies. In retrospect it seems crystal clear that the Messiah's death and resurrection were foretold. (Isaiah 53:8-10) Yet, Jesus' own disciples failed to grasp this fact. (Matthew 16:21-23) They did not see that Daniel 7:13, 14 would be fulfilled during Christ's future pa·rou·si'a, or "presence." (Matthew 24:3) So they were almost 2,000 years off in their reckoning when they asked Jesus: "Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?" (Acts 1:6) Even after the Christian congregation became well established, erroneous ideas and false expectations continued to crop up. (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2) Though some occasionally had mistaken views, Jehovah undeniably blessed the work of those first-century believers!

17 Today's watchman class has likewise had to clarify its views from time to time. Can anyone doubt, though, that Jehovah has blessed the 'faithful slave'? Besides, viewed in context, are not most of the adjustments that have occurred relatively small? Our basic understanding of the Bible has not changed. Our conviction that we are living in the last days is stronger than ever!

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What should the WTBS do?!?!

by LDH in

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well guys sorry i haven't participated much lately, i've been really busy.

but, i do have a question that i would really appreciate all of your input on.. it is no secret that young people are leaving jws faster and faster.

it is no secret that most jws are disappointed, and hurt by lack of prophecy fulfillment.. so here's what i was thinking: i'm going to post some very personal thoughts on what *i* think they need to do in order to stop the loss of almost 50,000 disfellowshipped and probably 4x that to inactivity.

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Jehu....Run away! Run away! <hitting coconut shells together> hehehe

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JW Dictionary

by thinker in

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warning !.

the following "dictionary" may be very discomforting to true believers of jehovah's organization.

if you ask too many questions about these things you are told " jehovah will make it all clear in time.

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Very, Very well put you two!!! I'm printing them and saving them. All of your definitions make so much sense. It seems so obvious when you stand back from a distance and look at things objectively. Seeing the indecisiveness and back pedalling that goes on from month to month within the WTBTS kind of brings to mind some sort of strange Abbot and Costello routine. <only no one is laughing!>

Thanks

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Jesus second coming in the first century

by Jr in

this discussion will be quite extensive.

so, i have broken it up in to subtopics.

it will be shared by myself and associates in the faith.

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Trevor! You have voiced exactly the way I feel. You have put very eloquently into words, what I feel in my heart to be true. You are a kindred spirit to be sure.

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Hey 'empty' say summat !

by ISP in

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anyone got any thing out of 'empty' in the chat room recently.

i was there for hours and nothing!.

isp

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You guys are tho thilly! :)

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Heresy of the Month

by thinker in

heresy of the month (from a website).

don't you hate it when someone you know comes up with some new thing that you have never heard about?

you sit there in apparent ignorance as they pontificate about the proofs and merits of some idea so far beyond common knowledge that it can only be revealed by people of exceptional enlightenment such as they.

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Amen! Halleleujah! I have finally found my way to true thiness! I simply followed the simple directions found in the latest issue of The Asleep!, and the fine guidance of Brother Larc, and Voila! Here I am. See? Those pure of heart and thin of thighs <ok, maybe not so thin but I'm workin' on it, ok?> CAN find the *truth* and squeeze through that teeny, weeny, steeeenking little gate <well, some WD-40 may be required, as that last 10, er....20 pounds is just kinda hanging on>
Oh, and one other thing...I beseech you dear brothers and sisters, How is it that I may get the song "Keep your eyes on the fries" out of my head? It haunts me day and night!

Thanks ahead of time for your kind assistance in this matter.

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Less Perfect, Less Communication?

by eyes_opened in

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i've always wondered why it was, that when mankind was supposedly closer to perfection, god kept in direct contact with people either through angels speaking, or prophetic dreams, seas parting, etc.

but the further man got from perfection the less and less contact he gave people.

it seems like the worse off we are, the more help, or direction we would require.

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Amen brother Larc, you are indeed wise in the ways of the forum! I am now on my way to the path of enlightenment! Thanks be to Larc, He who directs the lost, the weary, and the just plain silly

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