Posts by flipper

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"we're not hiding anything" says the Bro on the Service Desk

by MinisterAmos in

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i think i found where they put all their lawyers, they go on the service desk to spin tales of deceit and half-truth.

so i call up to voice my displeasure with having been asked to distribute "the end of false religion" when the wt already knew that it was ridden with molestors yet called itself "clean".

the bro said "that means clean in comparison to the others" ummm ok

flipper

Ah, yes! The old proverbial we're not hiding anything trick. I've got 2 to 1 odds that says there is a lurking hidden file of 23,000 names of pedophiles in their organization floating around somewhere in the walls of Brooklyn!! Just the fact that the guy said, " We're not hiding anything", makes you think he is hiding something! Just like when someone qualifies what they say like," To be perfectly honest", usually means there not, if they have to qualify it. End of psychology lesson

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How Can We Reach Witnesses who Won't Believe Child Abuse Allegations?

by flipper in

as you all know , gawd, a lot has happened in the last year.

the sixteen child abuse settlements in california.

now we have a perpetrator of this crime let back on the loose in great britain.

flipper

PIONEER SPIT- Yes, the witnesses do like to defend their faith and I have talked with more than one of them on this molestation issue, and they get testy.

VELMAZBATES- I agree with you that the jw's won't admit to these things happening because it would result in loss of jw friends and family. So they choose to not be motivated by the facts like you said. However, telling them to be in the org. without donating time, energy, and money is like telling them not to eat, in their view. They won't do that, because they are told to serve god "whole-souled" and give it their full devotion. Partial committment is not allowed to them. Also, as for convincing them with new scriptures that their takes are wrong, don't count on that either. They are told by the organization which scriptures to use and how to interpret them in their faith. I hope you are right, but don't think it would work.

JAM- Great thought you have of putting up posters of convicted jw child molesters, if you could get pictures of them. Yeah, any public place post it, post office, stores, wherever.

DRAGONLADY76- I agree with you in keeping the channels of communication open with these people and keep exposing the molestation fiasco to them. I do hope like you say that many witnesses, reach their breaking point with this negative stuuf happening.

MINIMUS- You are correct, witnesses are trained to have their thinking done for them by the org. Yes it really has to hit a person between the eyes before the scales fall and they see the whole scam that is the organization. As you said, some people aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and I feel out of fear they don't want to admit their organization could do this. How did the old saying go? Ignorance is Bliss?

MCSEMIKE- Yes, the witnesses say one thing and do another. They don't reason that their organization has gone dirty or lowdown. I think as you said only getting with them one on one or individually do you have an outside shot at reasoning with a few of them.

DEBORAH'S SONG - Deborah the reason the brotherhood versus antichrist mentality is there is because the organization blindly promotes it in it's members. The witnesses are led to falsely believe that the governing body is infallible, would never sin, always has the witnesses best interests at heart, and is always representing God the way He should be represented. It is called MIND CONTROL, it's what cults do, so it's members will never admit it's leaders are wrong for anything they do or allow. Think about it _

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Anger over paedophile's sentence

by Keyboard22 in

judge is lenient on jehovah witness paedophile from somerset uk.

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anger over paedophile's sentence - aol news.

flipper

This English dandy of a child molester should be put in a prison where other men can show him real " man" love, if you know what I mean. then maybe he'll have trouble sitting on chairs for the next month afterwards. Yes, I'm angry, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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UK- JW MINISTERIAL SERVANT SERIAL RAPIST

by DannyHaszard in

man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.

michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.

among the individuals were others involved in the faith.

flipper

Laser- I caught you again, are you a Jehovah's Witness apologist or what? What are you so sensitive about? Does it make one damn iota of a difference if this molester was a elder or not??? If Danny made a mistake what of it? Aren't all Jehovah's Witnesses expected not to molest children? Or are elders held to just a certain kind of molestation? All molestation is wrong and whether the guy was an elder or not it is really not important, but from your response it seems as if you are concerned about the image witnesses have, not the children!! Come on!! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Your Opinion: What Do You Think Of Legally Going After Individual Elders?

by minimus in

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since the society has told the elders that they are basically on their own, why don't we give more thought to suing the elders-----not just the watchtower society?.

when i was an elder ii was very concerned that i might get sued and be liable in a lawsuit.

it was one of the reasons i didn't want to be an elder..

flipper

Rglaser- I think some of us just did describe it went quite well challenging the elders. I got a shred of justice and peace. Do I sense a lurker here? What is your story? Yes, in answer to your question, it can and has gone quite good challenging their authority

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Anti Witnessing, do you do it?

by bikerchic in

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today i was at a laundry mat and saw several jw mags and tracts.

i threw them all away in the trash can!.

i also tell everyone i have an opportunity about being in a cult, the jw's and have had many interesting conversations.

flipper

Every chance I get. I was using a phone booth in front of a safeway store and saw two magazines placed at a phone booth, I thought the audacity of these people! Right away I threw them away. Anti-witnessed to the p.o. and his dubby wife at my door for 30 minutes 2 months ago , condemning child molestation settlements to them and rocking their world. The wife listened and was nice , the elder husband defensive of the org. But I planted a seed

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How Can We Reach Witnesses who Won't Believe Child Abuse Allegations?

by flipper in

as you all know , gawd, a lot has happened in the last year.

the sixteen child abuse settlements in california.

now we have a perpetrator of this crime let back on the loose in great britain.

flipper

Pioneer Spit, I mean spirit- lol, hey great try at getting your parents to see this for what it really is, typical controlled response on their part though. Hey , here is an idea, instead of being content with leaving flyers in windshields during meetings, how about doing what the poster Moshe did a week ago and if your pissed at their actions, go inside their kingdom hall before a meeting and confront them with the ap news article about the molestations and ask them what their thougts are? I know it would take some stones to do it, however I'm so frustrated at their canned responses, I'm getting very close to being tempted to do just that before some Sunday meeting soon. What do you think? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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How Can We Show Concern For JW's Shocked By Molestation Exposure's ?

by flipper in

hello folks.

if you have read danny hazzard's thread today about the molester in great britain who got off on multiple molestation charges i'm sure you are shocked as i am .

that being said i was very touched by reading his threads that several newbies started their first posts on that particular thread out of concern for what is happening in the witnesses view of harboring and abetting child molesters.

flipper

Very true Candidly, I've noticed this Great Britain molester occurence is shaking up some witnesses in that country, just wish it would do the same in the good old U.S.of A

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How Can We Reach Witnesses who Won't Believe Child Abuse Allegations?

by flipper in

as you all know , gawd, a lot has happened in the last year.

the sixteen child abuse settlements in california.

now we have a perpetrator of this crime let back on the loose in great britain.

flipper

As you all know , gawd, a lot has happened in the last year. The sixteen child abuse settlements in California. Now we have a perpetrator of this crime let back on the loose in Great Britain. As I've said before on threads, I have told my older daughter about the molestation settlements and she being a regular pioneer said," Well dad, it's just a sign that Jehovah is cleaning out his organization, getting rid of those who do these things." Makes me want to do a bullet to my brain. Then my mom, her response of a witness of 55 years was more encouraging," Well, thank you son for telling me this. If this has happened it's wrong the way it's been handled. You know your dad is an elder and the elders in his congregation personally call each family if they have kids and tell them brother so and so is a molester from his past and to be careful, don't work with him in the service alone." I thought that was admirable, until I thought, what if brother so and so goes in service alone and meets a kid at the door alone? What then?

Then I got to thnking, you know most witnesses won't change their beliefs about this until it affects them personally, comes up and bites them in the proverbial a$$! It's almost like they have to get shock treatment to believe it! So, my friends how can we shock them into believing their hallowed organization is really a haven for pedophiles? What can we do? I'm so exhausted trying to figure it out, that is why I'm asking? I do what I can personally, talk with relatives, leave flyers in windshields, write letters to newspapers. Any ideas on what else we can do to shock the senses of these controlled people? I'm open to your comments, all welcome!

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How Can We Show Concern For JW's Shocked By Molestation Exposure's ?

by flipper in

hello folks.

if you have read danny hazzard's thread today about the molester in great britain who got off on multiple molestation charges i'm sure you are shocked as i am .

that being said i was very touched by reading his threads that several newbies started their first posts on that particular thread out of concern for what is happening in the witnesses view of harboring and abetting child molesters.

flipper

Hello folks. If you have read Danny Hazzard's thread today about the molester in Great Britain who got off on multiple molestation charges I'm sure you are shocked as I am . That being said I was very touched by reading his threads that several newbies started their first posts on that particular thread out of concern for what is happening in the witnesses view of harboring and abetting child molesters. I was struck by these individuals devastation over a religion they once trusted betraying them by protecting the interests of child molesters. Having been raised in it myself I know how they feel. Betrayed. One word.

I know it has been said on many threads here that this child molestation news will not affect the normal witnesses' view of their religion, and that may be true for most, however honest hearted individuals I notice are starting to be stirred to action by these injustices, even contemplating getting out of the witness organization because of the lack of attention to the problem by the leaders of the church.

Personally I know I have talked with 2 of my family members who are still in the org. about it, my mom and my older daughter. Of course with mixed results. But most of us here know the real "truth" about the sham the witnesses are, now. So, my question to you is how can we help these people who are sincerely befuddled by what is happening to their organization and learning of these atrocities being committed to make a new move in their lives to get the power and control back in their lives, without some of them feeling guilty over it, and /or displaced over it? Valid question I think. Welcome your responses. Some who were raised in this religion are really feeling devastated over this