As witness, I found it really hard to convince most other JWs that there are always two sides to every argument. Elders in particularly have been conditioned to find this hard to understand.
I am sure Freddie Franz and the other GB members would tell a different story to Ray. What we, as reasonable people, have to do is to be able to, in an unbiased manner, is listen to both sides and draw our own conclusions.
I think we all know the Society's stand on Malawi, the 1914 generation, etc, etc. Then, we have read Ray Franz's side. We then draw our own conclusions.
The trouble with Society is that they refuse to defend or reason on their position on serious doctrinal matters and hide behind branding all questioning voices as apostate.
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DOES RAYMOND FRANZ 'CRISIS' BOOK TELL THE TRUTH?
by whereami inthis person continues to try to discredit ray franz.
for a person that is not a jw he really does not give up.. .
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/tsrv22ro5585t9asm/p8.
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I Met a Member of the Generation that will not Pass Away
by Nosferatu inshe was born in 1910, in a wheelchair, and wore a bib to catch her drool.
they're not all dead yet!
armageddon could still come!
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eyeslice
If she was born in 1910 then she does not really count. She was 4 when the first war began an still only 8 when it ended.
If you take the Society's revised definition (though still not the rather confusing current definition) that the generation is those alive contemporary with events taking place in the world, we have had at least 4 or 5 generations since she was born. For example you could say:- Those world leaders of WWI - people who would have been at the time in the 40 years plus age braken
- The between the wars generation
- Those world leaders of WWII
- The baby boomer generation post WWII
- The modern generation born since the start of the computer age (I know computers were around before then but weren't pervasive as they are now)
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The strange absence of meeting
by slimboyfat indoes anyone else feel a large gaping void in their life tonight now that the book study has been abandoned?
i mean i hardly ever go to the meetings these days but i still like the feeling that they are there even if i am not physically present.
tuesday without a meeting is just weird.. .
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eyeslice
I haven't been to a group study for the last 5 years but my wife is a regular attender. It was strange to have her in all evening last night.
What is interesting is that her 'personal' study time consisted of preparing for the new book study, the school and service meeting - all things she would have done anyway! -
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Honestly, Would You Have Secretly Taken a Blood Transfusion?
by minimus inwhile i was an active jw elder, i wouldn't have up until that last year.
that's when i was totally mentally out, just going thru the technicalities.
i still respect other jw's viewpoints on their not accepting blood----although i think they are terribly misguided.
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No, I would have died, and worse would have allowed my wife and kids to die.
I was never on the HLC but I have accompanied sisters to see doctors to explain the Society's blood policies.
Fortunately, my kids are grown and all have left the 'truth' but my wife is still in and I know that she would die rather than have whole blood. I have spoken with her about the fractions thing and how unclear/ridiculous the Society's current policy is but she still does not get the point. -
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You never forget your 1st love. True or false?
by mtsgrad inwould appreciate your input.. mtsgrad.
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Not until Alzhiemer's sets in!
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What did you not do because of attending the Tuesday night group?
by eyeslice inas a loyal witness i would never have done anything on a tuesday night except attend the group study.. when i was at school it was a definate no to after school activities on a tuesday (though it was much the same for other nights of the week as well).
then i would never go to any night classes on a tuesday, which somewhat limits access to higher education.
never stayed in to watch tv no matter what was on..
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eyeslice
As a loyal Witness I would never have done anything on a Tuesday night except attend the group study.
When I was at school it was a definate no to after school activities on a Tuesday (though it was much the same for other nights of the week as well). Then I would never go to any night classes on a Tuesday, which somewhat limits access to higher education. Never stayed in to watch TV no matter what was on.
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Suggestions for material for family study night?
by eyeslice inmrs eyeslice has an extra evening off due to the new meeting arrangement now.. .
given the extra night is supposed to be for a family study night; any suggestions as to what we could study together?
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Chickpea - aren't the Witnesses already learning the language of truth?
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Suggestions for material for family study night?
by eyeslice inmrs eyeslice has an extra evening off due to the new meeting arrangement now.. .
given the extra night is supposed to be for a family study night; any suggestions as to what we could study together?
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Seriously, like many others, I don't think my wife will do much if any personal study. Perhaps, William Barclay's commentaries on John are a possibility.
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The Crazy Comedy of Little Britain
by Homerovah the Almighty inthis new comedy duo is starting to get more air play around and i think they're pretty good, check them out, they get the homey stamp of approval .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nre8mxjrvai.
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The thing about great comedy is that is real life exaggerated - e.g. the Simpsons.
I kid you not we used to have someone like Andy in our congregation. He used to come to the KH in a wheelchair wearing a neck brace but I once popped round his house and found him winching the engine out of his 4x4!
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Oldest man in USA died today at age 112
by Olin Moyles Ghost instory here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28415661/.
george francis was born in june 1896. that means he was 18 years old when jesus returned "invisibly" in 1914. he was 22 when judge rutherford first gave the lecture titled "millions now living will never die.
" he was 24 when the watchtower society published the famous booklet of the same name and began the heralded "millions campaign.".
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I remember how we still hung on to the 1914 generation well into the 90's. I remember pointing out the fact that Vaso Cubrilovic (After World War II, Vaso Cubrilovic served as Minister of Forests in Yugoslavia's government. He died in 1990, the last surviving participant in the conspiracy to assassinate the Archduke. - wikopedia) was still alive as being proof we were still in the 1914 generation.