it wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back.
that back had already broken.
it was more of the last nail in the coffin for my allegiance to the wts.
No not the worst - they are still getting even worse!
Take a look at the article on Xmas in the current Watchtower. See the loaded language and lack of any substance. An article on is the 144,00 of Revelation a literal number had no reason or logic behind it either. The theology is worn out.
Eyeslice
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/81637/1.ashx
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The average publisher is clueless about the rules. That is why, up until now, the publishers have to sign the cards in front of an elders. The elders and hospital liaison committe members are just as bad. As an elder, I once asked a liaison committe member about the treatment of minor children with leukemia, and was told not to worry that they would be made wards of court anyway.
Eyeslice
one of the things we were constantly taught as jws was that the vast majority of the world are intrinsically bad; wicked enough to warrant destruction at armageddon.. last xmas, a film "love actually" (sentimental tat really but who says we don't need sentimentality occasionally) was based on the idea that everywhere people are in love and being loved.
also, a couple of tv documentaries shown recently in uk, michael palin's 'himalaya' and ewan mcgregor's 'long way round' had these intrepid travellers visiting remote corners of the earth.
it was striking just how friendly and helpful people can be to strangers.
My contention is that the majority of people are 'decent' folk who are interested in other. My guess would be that this is partly genetic (survival of the species) and part nutured (our parents bring us to be respectful of others). Those who do not conform to this 'norm' are a rarity and generally are ostrasied by society.
Eyeslice
i saw this the other day and really like the sentiment.
god bless the whole world.
no exceptions!.
Nice one Brenda
Eyeslice
...so i just found out.
apparently, the last time my son went to the kh with his grandma (which was quite some time ago), a couple different brothers asked him to study and he turned them down.
not suprising - but what did suprise me is that my mom said the brothers then went to her to talk with her about it.
I am waiting for the elders to come round and ask me to have a study!
Not sure how they re-activate someone who was in for 50 years, served in every position and knows the Bible and WTB&TS theology inside out. Could be interesting.
Eyeslice
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=592910
mentally-ill girl who was sold for sex faces death penalty in iran by angus mcdowall in tehran.
14 december 2004 .
Religion and law when joined together are most unmerciful.
When the world as a whole(or at least the large majority) stops following religious myths, maybe then we will be able to see more clearly unclouded by religious dogma.
Amen to that. Suggest anyone interested in Ismal reads Satanic Verses - it is difficult to read and understand but you can see why it had the Muslim world up in arms. Eyeslice (aka Salman Rushdie)
maybe if there is a god, that maybe he doesn't want us to know who he is?
maybe he only wants to know us through prayer.
maybe the bible is a hoax?
Maybe he only wants to know each and every one of us intimately and privately?
I think you may be right my friend. I would like to believe this myself. It seems that this logic is more akin to to the teachings of Christ than the WTB&TS.
May God bless us all in his search for him.
Eyeslice
jehovah's witnesses learn arabic in outreach to muslims
december 12, 2004, 11:06 am
dearborn, mich. (ap) -- some jehovah's witnesses, known for their door-to-door efforts to bring people to their spiritual beliefs, have been learning arabic as part of an effort to convert muslims.
A fery hard task indeed. I have in the past 'witnessed' to Muslims. It is very hard for them to give up their religion. They face loss of family, shunning, etc. to become a JW - just like anyone trying to leave the JWs.
I am in the process of writing a new thread on Islam and just how dogmatic and intolerant it is - just like the JWs - should post in in a few days time.
Eyelsice (aka Salman Rushdie)
as 2004 winds down and my 4th year of association at this board winds down as well, my posting stats accurately reflect a transitition that been going on for me with respect to the jw religion, a process that is quite natural and healthy.
i'm sure that many members have had a similar experience.
here's a rundown of four years here for me: .
On the same track as you my friend - jusr 3 years behind.
Eueslice
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if it were possible to get a jw to actually listen to us, which three good questions do you reckon might get him/her to sit down and think?
ian
Dansk
Excellent question! Hope your are doing ok now mate.
MegaDude
Nice line of reasoning - just the sort of reasoning JWs like to use in the ministry (leading questions etc)
FreeWilly
Thought of this one myself. Could add an additional angle and say if you were God (and remember man is God's image possessing his same cardinal attributes) who would you start with at Armagedon? When you get no reply, you could push and say "well let's start with murders, terrorists, etc" and then point out that these represent less than 1% of the population. You could then move on to athesists, immoral people, etc. See when you start on innocent women and children.
AK - Jeff
Brilliant reasoning.
Thanks guys
Eyeslice
