Here is the consolation where the moyle trial is mentionned:
http://cchasson.free.fr/deposit/consolation/Consolation%20December%2020,%201944.pdf
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Transcript of U.S. v. Rutherford, et al.?
by Olin Moyles Ghost inover the past few months, i have been researching the wt society's doctrines and history.
in doing so, i have tried to use as little so-called "apostate" material as possible.
this is because (as we are all aware) witnesses are taught to fear apostate literature, and if i ever hope to enlighten any of my loved ones, i am not going to be able to do so by waving a copy of coc in their faces.
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Friday District Convention notes: Control, control, control
by truthseeker inwell, one third of the convention is over, i had no choice but to attend due to my current situation.. the talks were worse than last year, and as usual if you have seen the program you will not find jesus in any of the talk titles - in fact, the only time jesus is mentioned is during a prayer or in connection with the ministry.. when you become aware of how sidelined jesus is, you can't help but notice that jehovah's witnesses are a modern version of the old testament religion - it's all about control, be attentive, obey the "faithful and discreet slave" etc etc, in stark contrast to belief and salvation through jesus.. only the talks with midly interesting material or that had ridiculous phrases used by the speaker are shown here.. friday.
9:50 be attentive to jehovah's promises of deliverance .
would you believe that this 20 minute talk was solely about being attentive to the program?
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They are actually trying to tell us that we have to enjoy that sxxx that they call "music" before the program? And that they are supposed to pay attention to the lyrics when we sing the Kingdumb Maladies?
I never could understand how that sxxx even qualifies as music. They are intended to mislead people that should be self-leading. They are so poorly written and performed that they are worthless even for those who reason that people listen to them for the artistic merit. Yet the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger tells us that we need to pay attention to the lyrics. That is a fine waste of 20 minutes of the program. I never heard such insistence on paying attention to such pxxx poor "music(??)" in my life!
The music always reminds me of hitting the "DEMO" button on this :
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Body Numbness
by Chameleon inlast wednesday, i went to bed at 1:30 am, woke up at 4:30 am due to food poisoning, and i couldn't go back to sleep.
i went to work, and when i got back, i went to bed at 6 or 7 pm.
i didn't wake up until the following morning, on thursday.. my body felt slightly numb, but i thought i slept wrong.
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Re the food poisoning thing... I was just wondering if you'd had a confirmed diagnosis of food poisoning - and what type it was. ie. was it Lysteria, Salmonella, Botulism etc.
I was just hypothesising that if it were Botulism, then the weakness MAY be an after effect of it.
More likely though, the weakness could just be a post-viral response to a bug.
Good luck at the doctors.
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I miss London
by LouBelle ini've been to the u.k a number of times.
always spent a good while in london - i absolutely love it.
i love the business of the underground, i love the shows that theatres offer, i love the sights and sounds so much.
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Here's an unusual view of London. It's actually a fascinating website in an "arty" sort of way.
Derelict London - http://www.derelictlondon.com/derelict_london_com.htm
The cemetery secition is actually very green. http://www.derelictlondon.com/cemetery.htm
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PDF request plz: Benefit from Theocratic Ministry School Education
by yknot inlong story as to what happened to mine.. if anyone would be so kind as to repost a new download link.
i remember atlantis had posted it awhile back, but the link is not working.. i will be eternally grateful.. .
many thanks.
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Repost of Atlantis' file : http://www.sendspace.com/file/4a22hv
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embalming and baptism?
by Budda ini was never a jw, i was wondering if jw embalm people when they die.
muslims and i think orodox jews do not embalm.
if someone was injured or murdered they even put the bloody clothes with the body when they bury it.
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Here in the UK, it is a requirement if the deceased is being taken out of, or brought into, the country.
Funeral Directors can insist on it for hygiene reasons if required, as sometimes a funeral can take several weeks from the time of death.
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Transcript of U.S. v. Rutherford, et al.?
by Olin Moyles Ghost inover the past few months, i have been researching the wt society's doctrines and history.
in doing so, i have tried to use as little so-called "apostate" material as possible.
this is because (as we are all aware) witnesses are taught to fear apostate literature, and if i ever hope to enlighten any of my loved ones, i am not going to be able to do so by waving a copy of coc in their faces.
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The Watchtower NEVER mentions the Olin Moyle case....becaue it LOST it!
Not exactly mentioned in a positive light, but it is still a mention - sadly the quotes aren't on the Watchtower CD, but I do have the Watchtower refenences. Old lighthouse Books have the 1944 Consolation mentioned, but it is in a batch.
***dx30-85Moyle,OlinR.***
MOYLE,OLINR.
g44 12/20 21; g43 6/23 27-8; w41 285-6; w39 258, 316-17, 382
W41 285-286
This same day a sharp judgment of the great Lawgiver against the "evil servant" class (Matt. 24:48-51) was expressed at the beginning of the afternoon’s sessions. An ex-army officer of the United States appeared on the platform and asked and was granted the privilege to present a Resolution concerning one Moyle.
Said lawyer proved unfaithful to his position of trust m the Lord’s organization, slandered and abused the Bethel family at Brooklyn, quit his post of duty, and thereafter sued the Society and its board of directors and others for $100,000 for libel because the facts were published in The Watchtower for the protection of Jehovah’s witnesses throughout the land.
The Resolution condemned such course of action and such recourse to worldly courts as unscriptural, unwarranted and unjustified. Put to a vote, the resolution was adopted with a unanimous "Aye" by the vast assembly of more than 75,000. Thereafter copies of the Resolution were given free to all, to take home with them.
Prior to that, Moyle gets a mention...
Watchtower 1939
258
FOR YOUR INFORMATION
By reason of his unfaithfulness to the kingdom interests, and to those who serve the kingdom, 0. R. Moyle is no longer wth the Society. The full board of directors of the Society on August 8, by resolution, unanimously demanded that the president sever Moyle's connection with the Society Immediately. It was done. Bretheren will address their communications concerning their legal difficulties : WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY, Legal Desk, 117 Adams St, Brooklyn, N. Y.I will post the other references to Moyle later on.
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Transcript of U.S. v. Rutherford, et al.?
by Olin Moyles Ghost inover the past few months, i have been researching the wt society's doctrines and history.
in doing so, i have tried to use as little so-called "apostate" material as possible.
this is because (as we are all aware) witnesses are taught to fear apostate literature, and if i ever hope to enlighten any of my loved ones, i am not going to be able to do so by waving a copy of coc in their faces.
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AlphaOmega
My take on evidence like this is to see if it has been mentioned on the WT CD in a positive light.
If it has (like the Walsh trial) then it is surely fair game to be quoted to Witnesses.
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embalming and baptism?
by Budda ini was never a jw, i was wondering if jw embalm people when they die.
muslims and i think orodox jews do not embalm.
if someone was injured or murdered they even put the bloody clothes with the body when they bury it.
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EMBALMING Is It for Christians?
Related topics: The Hereafter — Where Will It Be? Is There Life After Death? As his life drew to a close, the faithful patriarch Jacob made this last request: "Bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite, in the cave that is in the field of Machpelah that is in front of Mamre in the land of Canaan."—Genesis 49:29-31.
JOSEPH honored his father's request by taking advantage of a custom that prevailed in Egypt at the time. He commanded "his servants, the physicians, to embalm his father." According to the account found in Genesis chapter 50, the physicians took the customary 40 days to prepare the corpse. The embalming of Jacob allowed for the large, slow-moving caravan of family members and Egyptian dignitaries to travel about 250 miles [400 km] to take Jacob's remains to Hebron for burial.—Genesis 50:1-14.
Is it possible that Jacob's embalmed body will be found one day? The chances are, at best, remote. Israel was a well-watered region, which limits the type of archaeological artifacts discovered there. (Exodus 3:8) Ancient metal and stone objects abound, but most of the more fragile items, such as cloth, leather, and embalmed bodies, have not withstood moisture and the vicissitudes of time.
Just what is embalming? Why has it been practiced? Is it for Christians?
Where Did the Custom Begin?
Embalming can best be described as the preserving of a human or animal corpse. Historians tend to agree that embalming began in Egypt but was also practiced by the ancient Assyrians, Persians, and Scythians. Perhaps early interest in and experimentation with embalming was sparked by the discovery of bodies that had been buried in desert sand and were naturally preserved. Such a burial would have kept moisture and air from reaching the corpse, thus limiting its decay. Some theorize that embalming got its start when bodies were found preserved in natron (sodium carbonate), an alkali that is abundant in and around Egypt.
The goal of the embalmer is simply to interrupt the natural bacteriologic action that starts within hours of death, causing the corpse to deteriorate. If this process can be averted, decay will stop or will at least be slowed down considerably. Three things are desired: preserving the remains in a lifelike state, preventing putrefaction, and rendering the corpse resistant to the ravages of insects.
The ancient Egyptians embalmed their dead mainly for religious reasons. Their concept of an afterlife was linked with a desire to stay in touch with the physical world. They believed that their bodies would be used throughout eternity and would be reinvigorated with life. As common as embalming was, to date no Egyptian account of how it was done has been found. The best record is that of the Greek historian Herodotus in the fifth century B.C.E. It has been reported, however, that trying to recreate the results by using the directions provided by Herodotus has not been very successful.
Is It for Christians?
Jacob was embalmed by those whose religious beliefs were not the same as his. Yet, we can hardly imagine that when Joseph handed his father's body over to the physicians, he requested the prayers and ritual that may well have accompanied most embalming done in Egypt at that time. Both Jacob and Joseph were men of faith. (Hebrews 11:21, 22) Although apparently not commanded by Jehovah, the preserving of Jacob's remains is not spoken of with disapproval in the Scriptures. The embalming of Jacob was not meant as a precedent for the nation of Israel or for the Christian congregation. In fact, there are no specific instructions on the subject in God's Word. After Joseph himself was embalmed in Egypt, there is no further Scriptural mention of the practice.—Genesis 50:26.
The poor condition of human remains found in tombs in Palestine indicates that it was not a Hebrew custom to embalm the dead, at least not for long preservation. Lazarus, for instance, was not embalmed. Although he was wrapped in cloth, concern was shown when the stone closing his tomb was to be rolled away. Since Lazarus had died four days earlier, his sister was sure that there would be an odor when the tomb was opened.—John 11:38-44.
Was Jesus Christ embalmed? The Gospel accounts do not support this conclusion. At that time, it was the Jewish custom to prepare the body with spices and perfumed oils before laying it to rest. In order to treat Jesus' body, for instance, Nicodemus provided a large quantity of spices for this purpose. (John 19:38-42) Why so many spices? Heartfelt love and respect for Jesus may have moved him to such generosity. We need not conclude that such a use of spices was intended to preserve the body.
Would a Christian object to the custom of embalming? From a realistic point of view, embalming is merely delaying the inevitable. From dust we came, and to dust we return at death. (Genesis 3:19) But how long will it be from the time of death until the funeral? If family members and friends are coming from a distance and there is a desire to view the body, no doubt the remains will have to be embalmed to some degree.
Scripturally, then, there is no need for concern if local requirements mandate that the body be embalmed or family members desire that this take place. The dead are "conscious of nothing at all." (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If they are in God's memory, they will be raised to life in his promised new world.—Job 14:13-15; Acts 24:15; 2 Peter 3:13.
Embalming—Then and Now
In ancient Egypt, the type of embalming a corpse might receive depended on a family's status. A prosperous family would likely have chosen the following procedure:
The brain would be drawn out through the nostrils by means of a metal instrument. Thereafter, the skull would receive treatment with appropriate drugs. The next step involved the removal of all the internal organs except the heart and the kidneys. To gain access to the abdomen, an incision had to be made in the body, but this was considered sinful. To get around this thorny issue, Egyptian embalmers designated a person called a cutter to make the incision. He fled as soon as this was done, for curses and pelting with stones were the punishment for this so-called crime.
After the abdominal cavity had been emptied, it was washed thoroughly. The historian Herodotus wrote: "They fill the cavity with the purest bruised myrrh, with cassia, and every other sort of spicery except frankincense, and sew up the opening."
The gold coffin of King TutankhamenNext, the body was dehydrated by soaking it in natron for 70 days. Thereafter, the corpse was washed and skillfully wrapped in linen. The linen was then coated with a resin or some type of gummy substance that served as glue, and the mummy was placed in a lavishly decorated wooden box that had a human form.
Today, embalming can be accomplished in a matter of hours. It is usually done by placing an appropriate amount of embalming fluid in the veins and arteries as well as in abdominal and thoracic cavities. Over the years, a variety of solutions have been developed and used. However, because of cost and safety, formaldehyde is the embalming solution most often used.
