Posts by bluebell

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587/607

by reneeisorym in

i read this and i don't believe the tablets that prove 587 would disprove the bible.

so can you help me figure out what the bible really says about the fall?.

counting back from that date, and adding up what they have discerned to be the reigns of each king, 605 bce is found to be the first year of mighty king nebuchadnezzar.

bluebell

The method used by historians to calculate 539 BCE for the Fall of Babylon relies on 587 BCE being the date of the Destruction of Jerusalem and it relies on the lengths of reign of the Babylonian kings that the WTS does not accept. So it accepts the conclusion but does not accept the method employed to arrive at that conclusion.

You know i never thought of that arguement either. so they take off 70 years to get from 537 to 607 (i know i said add on before i get confused with bc sometimes and for get that the higher the number the longer ago it is) saying that secular history calculations are wrong and then they conveniantly ignore the fact that the tablets used to get that 537 rely on the tablets being correct with regards to 586/587 destruction? it gets better.

the problem is i could never use this stuff if i brought the subject up i'd be labelled aposate. can they df you when you havent associated for 3 years?

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607 to 1914 calculation question

by bluebell in

is there any culture that actually used years of 360 days length?

if so, surely there would still be some kind of leap year to correct the calendar, why is that not taken into account?

i'd never thought about it when i was a dub because you're not supposed to think!

bluebell

lol wow im still as confused as ever - thanks everyone for trying to explain, i suppose the only way to understand it is to research it myself.

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Sheep, other sheep, other other sheep, Three classes of sheep?

by garybuss in

i got this message from a forum member.. i think you may be confusing the wts' understanding of the "sheep" of matthew chapter 25 (who have not yet been separated from the "goats") and the "other sheep" of john chapter 10. the two groups are not (i.e.

no longer) considered synonymous.. .

what am i missing?

bluebell

Must admit I never noticed myself but I read somewhere, maybe here or maybe CoC that the GB don't often refer to John alot in the teaching due to the context of stuff like that you pointed out:

Should JWs read the continuation of John 10 that would be quite problematic, though:
My sheep hear my voice. I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand. What my Father has given me is greater than all else, and no one can snatch it out of the Father's hand.

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Kevorkian is free!

by startingover in

jw
friends

personally, i would like to have the choice to end my life if i chose to do so and see nothing wrong with having a professional help me with it.

i have watched several people die and to me it's just plain cruel to put someone through that.

we would never think of letting an animal suffer like that but yet some people in this country think they need to jail a person willing to help speed up the process.

bluebell

My mom has said that she wishes that she had never called an ambulance when my nan had her first stroke, she would have never regained consciousness and would have died peacefully. as it was she ended up with a morphine drip in her arm, a cathertar (sp) in her which she kept pulling out causing infection and bleeding and her skin was just droopy on her arms and legs with muscle wastage and she looked like she'd come out a concentration camp.

I hope I grow old and die without having to go through that.

A friends dad died last year at 97, absolutely fine, just got old. His last words were "if i die sue the b****eds!". i'd like that kind of death, he did get a bit ill, his family realised he was going to die soon and he just fell asleep and didn't wake up.

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587/607

by reneeisorym in

i read this and i don't believe the tablets that prove 587 would disprove the bible.

so can you help me figure out what the bible really says about the fall?.

counting back from that date, and adding up what they have discerned to be the reigns of each king, 605 bce is found to be the first year of mighty king nebuchadnezzar.

bluebell

So, the 70 years counted from 537-607 are your bog standard 365 days years BUT then they use years of 360 days to go from there to 1914? LMAO its totally f***ed up. Has anyone asked that question? What was the reply please.

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Why did you leave the org?

by A-Team in

were you dfed, did you find out some lies about the org?.

what was the last straw?

bluebell

lack of love shown. i was abused by my father (an elder) and he got more help than i did. i was seen as bad association and a pain in the butt cos i was so depressed.

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Noisy Neighbours - what do you do?!

by Crumpet in

jw
friends

okay so here is the scenario:.

i finally acquaint myself with the "floating ship" that is my four poster bed about 1.30 am, finish watching a favourite lullaby horror movie - wolf creek and close my eyes.. minutes later a door slams right next to my ear and then another and what sounds like a gaggle of adolescent girls (reminiscent of the current manless debacle that is big brother uk this year) screams their way into the flat next door at high volume.

they are talking so loud i can hear every inane word they say.

bluebell

Our neighbour came and apologised for her music being so loud and we hadn't heard a thing! Told her not to worry. You'd have thought that in a 70's flat that you'd hear everything but nope.

I like your note! SO funny, it must be used it would be a disgrace not to use it.

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more from my story

by fiveangels in

i am in desperate need of help bad.i just found out my snake of a jw fiance already has been dating a jw,the bugger lied to me when i asked.

if there was anybody else.now i just want to make him pay for all the hurt he has caused-i know this isn't the right way to think but why should he get away twice with hurting me.i called him to ask about it and he called me a stalker.i am not just wanted the truth,is that too much to ask?.

i am dead inside.

bluebell

Milk in the vents! nasty! lmao

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more from my story

by fiveangels in

i am in desperate need of help bad.i just found out my snake of a jw fiance already has been dating a jw,the bugger lied to me when i asked.

if there was anybody else.now i just want to make him pay for all the hurt he has caused-i know this isn't the right way to think but why should he get away twice with hurting me.i called him to ask about it and he called me a stalker.i am not just wanted the truth,is that too much to ask?.

i am dead inside.

bluebell

duplicated post

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Why So Many More Atheists in Europe?

by bavman in

top 50 countries .

with highest proportion of atheists / agnostics.

(zuckerman, 2005)below is a list of the top fifty countries containing the largest measured percentage of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or non-believer in god.

bluebell

I think that to some extent religiousness is partly influenced by genes, a very broad statement with no backing, just my opinion....

Based on the fact that alot of the first settlers took to the dangerous seas so that they could practice their chosen religion, I think it would follow that their descendants would be more religously inclined?

Plus in Europe, as has been pointed out there have been too much blood spilt over religion.

Pressing post at end of luchtime - will see how my theory is shot to pieces when I get home this evening :)