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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

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i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Faraon

JanH,

If you think the death penalty deters horrible crimes: why is the US both the only nation in the western world with the death penalty and by far the country with the highest crime rate?

Read your money "In God We Trust"
We kill them, let him separate them.
Follow Jehovah's example. Obey his rules. Kill those who work on Saturdays.
Let's start writing the names of those who posted yesterday. (Let me erase my posting first)

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

jw
friends

i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Faraon

Hello undecided,
What do you mean you have committed no crime?
Your first parents were guilty of trying to obtain wisdom.
This was a crime punishable by death. They were forewarned.
This is why the WTBS makes it a crime to try to obtain wisdom through publications other than theirs.
If you read this material, you will be sentenced to psychological death.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

28

Incorrect to use the term "Jehovah's Witne...

by TR in

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i'm sure this has been brought up before, but it gives me the willies(brrrrrr!

) to say the...jw words.

since i don't believe they are god's witnesses, then i can't say the words.

Faraon

What about Jehovah's Witless?
But then again, this term assumes that Jehovah is a real god.

I usually just call Jehovah "The Jewish Tribal War God"

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

29

Contradiction?????

by Yerusalyim in

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on page 132 of the knowledge book it says: who are the "superior authorities"?

paaul's words in succeeding verses show that they are human governmental authorities.

(romans 13:1-7; titus 3:1) jehovah did not originateman's governmental authorities, but they exist by his permission.

Faraon

Sage,

You all have some great points. But I must stress that God is simply allowing man to govern himself so that he can see that man cannot govern himself without bringing total chaos.

Thank you for clarifying those points to me. I now see that man brought total chaos by destroying Earth with a deluge. I always thought that the Jewish god was supposed to be the one who brought total chaos by destroying even newborns.

But this would not prove the point that WE humans cannot govern ourselves. And so it is obvious that we need God to take full control and to do away with all lawlessness. Next time God is in full control we will not dare to go against him as Adam, Eve, Satan etc. did.

Ok. Now I know for sure that at this point your god is not now in full control. Someone must be controlling him/her.

Next time the tribal Jewish god will think a worse punishment than the one given to Adam and Eve. Not only will the people going against him/her will have their descendents sentenced to death. This time their forefathers will be murdered. That will teach them a lesson.
How many people did Satan kill?
How many did Yaweh murder?
Only one goat per year was sacrificed to Satan.
Yaweh received thousands of animals as bloody sacrifice.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

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Turning the Tables

by joelbear in

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no conclusions, just thoughts.. should we disfellowship all of our friends and family who are jehovah's witnesses in order to protect ourselves and in order to wake them up to see how dangerous a path they are on?.

would like to see a discussion of this.. thanks.

joel

Faraon

I have thought about it.
One idea is posting signs stating: We shun shunners as bumper or window stickers.
Let people know about this disgusting practice. Let them know what JWs are really about.
Maybe start a movement to have the feds investigate why JWs hire JWs only, but raise hell when they are denied employment.
Feds should also investigate how many suicides they have caused by their shunning policy (by the way I have often wondered why those suicidal people don´t turn the tables and blow up a KH before killing themselves). That would bring some action from the govermment.
Maybe the feds should also suspend JWs' civil rights until the Borg ceases denying its members the free exercise of their rights.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

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Did WTS encourage college back then?

by sf in

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please post vital wt articles stating basically college was not for jws and why it wasnt....and... what is the societies "new light" now?

thx.

i need this asap!!.

Faraon

Here is another site and part of the article.
http://student.uq.edu.au/~s101663/jws/jws-edu.htm

The Watchtower policy until 1992 is shocking, and has been cited often by non-Witness parents to obtain custody when challenged by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here is what the Watchtower Society's position on education was up to 1992: "Many schools now have student counselors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them brainwash you with the Devils propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left . . . make pioneer service, the full-time ministry, with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service your goal."
Another publication of the Jehovah's Witnesses said this: "In view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous . . . Many young brothers and sisters were offered scholarship or employment that promised fine pay. However, they turned them down and put spiritual interests first."
The result of the Watchtower Society's antipathy toward education is that today, Witnesses suffer the economic disadvantages that you would expect of a group that eschews education. Witnesses have a double disadvantage because in addition to generally avoiding college education, it is against their basic beliefs to plan for the future. As a group, Witnesses are generally the least educated and the poorest of the poor.
There is quite strong scientific evidence to support this. In 1993, two researchers published the result of a massive survey to identify trends within the major religious groups in the United States. Barry A. Kosmin and Seymour P. Lachman called their project the “National Survey of Religious Identification”. The survey had a sample size of 113,000 people, including 900 Jehovah's Witnesses. Of the thirty religious groups included in the survey, Jehovah's Witnesses had the lowest percentage of their members graduate from college.
Educational Rank - Religion - Percentage of members that are college grads
1. Unitarian Universalist: 49.5%
2. Hindu: 47%
3. Jewish: 46.7%
7. Agnostic: 36.3%
18. Catholic: 20%
19. Mormon: 19.2%
20. Lutheran 18%
21. Seventh Day Adventist: 17.9%
27. Baptist: 10.4%
28. Pentecostal: 6.9%
30. Jehovah's Witnesses: 4.7%

In the last few years, the Watchtower Society has started to relax their rules and now some Jehovah's Witnesses are allowed to go to college. However the anti-education attitudes persist, and very few Witnesses go to college. Why do so few Witnesses still not go to college, despite the softening of the Society's official position on college education? …

I hope this helps you.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

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Did WTS encourage college back then?

by sf in

jw
friends

please post vital wt articles stating basically college was not for jws and why it wasnt....and... what is the societies "new light" now?

thx.

i need this asap!!.

Faraon

I have one about 16 pages long edited on MS Word. I copied it from their CD ROM articles and sent it to my daughters' attorney-ad-litem with comments I added. It only includes Watchtower articles, but it enlightens people's thoughts in viewing their attitude towards Higher Education.
It is too long for this post, but I can email it to you as regular email or as an attachment.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

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The Rainbow as a sign to Noah

by Simon in

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i don't know if this has ever been brought out - i just thought of it:.

the bible tells us that it rained for forty days and forty nights.. it stopped raining and noah & co floated around for a bit.. when they landed, noah sacrificed some of the animals (weren't they in short supply?

) and god promised never to bring a deluge upon then earth again.. to back this up, there was a rainbow in the sky as a sign.. now, what causes a rainbow?

Faraon

Crossroads,
>Why is he mad at all the animals and not the sea creatures?
Is it because HE has know way of destroying them?

The whole thing is a fable. It is so ridiculous only funnymentalists believe it.
Most sea creatures had to be killed in this deluge since the mayority of salt water animals will die in fresh water and viceversa.

Plants had to also die due to the fact that they were submerged in salt water for a year.

The dimensions of the ark would not allow for the minimum 1,800,000 animals to live there and there was not enough personnel to take care of them. The gasses and feces had to provide an intolerable breathing atmosphere.

The only light and air coming into the ark had to come through a 1 1/2 feet hole.

Why didn't Yaweh just kill off the nephilim and mankind?

See the sites previously mentioned in this thread for more info.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

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Good Afternoon!

by VeniceIT in

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friends

well i know this isn't like my usual posts but bear with me.

i know there are blowups on this board, and i guess not everyone gets a long 100%, 100% of the time, but we all have a bond that keeps bringing us back--pain.

we here have all suffered at the hands a merciless cult, and i know many have sufferd more then the rest of us can ever comprehend.. i miss my family and friends, somedays it's almost more then i can bear, but get by.

Faraon

Venice,

I miss my family and friends, somedays it's almost more then I can bear, but get by. I found out a few weeks ago from the hairdress of all people, that two of my best friends got married.

Conditional friend = Acquaintance

It still amazes me how we keep on thinking about unpaid coworkers as friends. Sometimes I try to excuse them because I know their minds are controlled, but enough is enough.

JRP

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1961 WT on Blood and today's "light"

by qwerty in

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we've all been given the new advanced health "care" directive at our book groups.

talk about feeling pressured into a situation.

we have to take forms home, read them, tick what medical care info our consciense will allow if we are in a life or death situation.

Faraon

Francoise,

What does this say about the nature and character of God? It says that the God of the Hebrews wasn't much more advanced than the God of the Aztecs who believed that throwing perfectly good virgins into volcanoes was efficacious. It speaks of a savage's god made in their own image.

Actually Aztecs had many gods like Tlaloc, the God of rain, Huitzilopochtli, God of war, etc. Some like Quetzalcoatl refused vertebrate sacrifices, and was only offered butterflies. Huitzilopochtli, on the other hand, had human sacrifices by the thousands taken from the Tlaxcalteca peoples. Only the heart was offered to him. The rest of the sacrificial victim was eaten by the people, except the victim's captor since the captor was considered like a brother to the victim.
There was no waste.

JRP