just for fun, some thoughts about the paradise teaching:.
will all the carnivores be transformed anatomically?
if a lion is transformed into a herbivore would it still be a lion?
your neighbor Bob(naked) passes in front of you and drops his apple. He bends over to pick it up but it keeps rolling away and he just cant seem to get it (all this in plain view). Now you see the moon also!
I`m not sure about bob however if Roberta drops her apple and bends over that will be paradise regained if I can get close enough.
http://www.jah-jireh.org/.
they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.
these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.
Isnt this discriminatory ? only having JW`s and no other faiths ?that other faiths
are exluded ? is that legal ?
And dont they state that those who are accepted have to be JW`s in good standing in their respective congregations ? and if not they would be excluded ? Discrimination against their own believers ? Who decides ? and on what grounds ?
{ It wouldnt have to do with how much money they had to pay for the privelidge would it ?}
Is that also legal ?
i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.
something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.
an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?
stuckinarut2 ,I bumped a 13 year old thread that i feel compliments your post that i hope helps newbies.
I think your illustration is spot on ,anything to expose WT/GB hypocricy in a life /death situation especially in regards to children who are the most vulnerable.
Awake : 26 Children Who Put God First In Their Lives ? I often wonder how many of these parents still feel the same way.
Sad.
to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.
christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.
(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.
I think this topic is due for a bump .
i remember like it was yesterday.
my dad pounding his fist on the kitchen table and gritting his teeth as he tells me to get out!
he kicked me out of his house.
LTPF ,I wouldnt be too hard on myself if i were you.Sadly your father probably over reacted as well and kicking you out was a bit extreme on his part. However I dont judge him for his actions not knowing his background or culture.
No doubt it was a real shock to him your becoming a JW. { and being a pain in the ass trying to witness to him LOL }
I`m sorry to hear that you were never able to reconcile your differences with your dad before he died.
I`m sure their are others here who can benefit from your experience .
Take care.
i need to get this off my chest, as i don't have many people to talk to about it who would understand.. i feel like i've failed my family, as not only have i been unable to get my parents and brother to see sense regarding the cult, but now my sister, who never got baptised but managed to escape twenty years ago, is now seriously considering going back for various "emotional" reasons, and i know that she won't listen to me.. i know they have all made their own decisions (at least, to the extent that brainwashed people can make their own decisions), and i can't really blame myself (even though i was the one who, when only ten years old, convinced my mum to listen to the poor lady on the doorstep out of politeness rather than just shut the door on her - so it is all indirectly my fault), but it still feels like i've failed them..
All people need to take responsability for their own actions whether negative or positive.
As individuals we may have given advice to someone that may or may not have taken up that advice by the person we gave it to.
We cannot be held responsabile for the decision that peson takes it is upon their own head for ,their decision.
Mr Negative you have no reason to feel guilty ,the onus rests on the person making their own decision as to what road they will take.and they will have to wear it alone.
i would like to state publicly, on this forum, i no longer hold the views i had a year ago.. with much thought, research, study and logical examination i have come to a better understanding of my beliefs and where i stand on all these issues.. i'm very happy to announce i have returned to healthful teaching of the holy scriptures and i firmly believe that the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is the faithful slave.. sorry if i have contibuted to any kind of stumbling and know that if i can turn things around then there's hope for all who come to there sence.. phill4:6,7.
I think OUTLAW hit the nail on the head with this one .
i think most witnesses are simple minded.many are ignorant.
there are a lot of basically "good people "in the religion but i believe many are kind of dumb, including many elders.
do you agree with my thoughts??
Just to clarify , I was a convert at 19 years of age naive ,gullible and ignorant ,otherwise I would not have become a JW and stayed for the next 33 years before the penny finally dropped.
jehovahs witnesses have been outspoken over the years/decades that christendom have been hiding or obscuring or even eliminating gods name jehovah from the general public.. how true is that statement .?.
1. it was a catholic monk of the 13th century that first coined the name jehovah in the english language.. 2.the roman catholic douay version of the bible does have the name jehovah in it.
about the 16th century.
Thanks for that Earnest.
Its interesting to check out Catholic Churches around the world that have the name Jehovah either in artwork or engraved in stone on their buildings including the Vatican.
so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.
so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.
they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.
we learned that gog of magog is not Satan as previously believed. They used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be Satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.
It took the ruling King Jesus Christ 103 years to make that plain to the Governing body ?
He should be sacked by Jehovah. as incompetent
