Posts by Farkel

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Hair-raising Tale!

by Free2Bme in

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let's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.

here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.

to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.

Farkel

: mmm so either no-one wants to play or no-one knows a witness who's two-faced or perhaps it's just a case of ignore the newbie till she gets the hang of how it works cause hasn't she figured out yet that you have to be posting hilarious artwork/ exposing major doctrinal error/ slagging off FH or picking fights with other posters to fumble your way into the accepted gang?

After a grand total of 23 posts since May 16th, 2001, I'm sure you're qualified to know the answer to your own question.

Farkel

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Probably the Biggest Con in the World

by dutyfree in

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i have a question:.

why is it that since the inception of this bizarre religion, there was no problem with blood transfusions during russell's reign, no problems during rutherford's term and then out of the blue... no blood!.

as my jw tenant said to me the other day, '...you cannot mis-interpret that line in the bible (referring to the passage which says, '...you should abstain from blood...').. if that is the case, why did it take over 60 years for the jws to realize that there was a problem after all, and thus issuing a total ban?.

Farkel

Seven006,

: Since there were a boat load of Jews slaving away in jolly old Egypt you would think there would have been that rule on at least one of the old stone tablets if it was so damn important.

As I understand it, there's no evidence for them-there Jews being slaves in Egypt as depicted in that docu-drama known as the "Bible."
Farkel

19

rutherford

by jurs in

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ever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.

i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.

one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.

Farkel

tj,

: I think it's a conclusion any honest person would be forced to reach
after a serious investigation of the facts. I can forgive Russell. I believe he was very sincere in his beliefs and, despite his flaws, was basically a good person.

Up until about a year or so ago, I believed the same thing. So did many other well-known JW critics that I know. However, a dedicated researcher on Russell has spent a lot of time and a goodly amount of money on him and his life and has come to a quite different conclusion. I only know bits and pieces, and even then, can't share much just yet.

For starters (this is public record stuff), I suggest you read the various lawsuits Russell had to deal with in his life, particularly those covered by the Brooklyn Eagle involving his divorce with Maria. I'm not at liberty to steal the thunder from the person(s) doing this research, but I believe I have the liberty to say this: Maria was unfairly vilified by Russell and his dupes. He was a scoundrel and did not pay the alimony he was ordered to pay, forcing her into major hardships for a time. He locked her out of the house he was supposed to provide for her. The "brothers," not Russell came up with the money to pay her back alimony (around $9,000 as I recall) that Russell was ordered to pay by the court and didn't. He was quite vindictive and determined to be "right" about his opinions, even if his wife had to suffer as a consequence. Money and profit for his printing corporation were a big concern of Russell, and he wouldn't make a move unless he thought it was profitable. He owned and/or controlled a number of corporations that the R&F Bible Students were not informed about. Much of this information is in his divorce trial transcript and the coverage of it by the Brooklyn Eagle. He sued the Brooklyn Eagle for slander. He lost. The Judge himself excoriated his actions. There is MUCH, MUCH more than will be revealed in due time to show that Russell was not the nice guy we all thought he was, but a scoundrel who was also a good businessman. Just like his student, Da Judge came to be.

Then there is the issue of mental illness in his family...

Russel's dad married Maria's younger sister, you know. There's lots of other stuff that paint a much darker picture of Russell than even the most hard-cord critics (like me) would have ever believed possible.

Farkel

38

troubled [in need of answers]

by zev in

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friends

today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

Farkel

: I said "I EXPECTED them to have the courtesy to DISCUSS this with me and since they never even said a WORD to me nor even inquired if I was perhaps SICK and needed HELP....then F*UCK THEM! They are a bunch of pompous-assed self righteous hypocrites and IM DONE WITH THEM!"

YOU GO, GIRL!!

Uh, next time could you quit being so wimply and beat-around-the-bush and say it like it-really-is, though?

Farkel

38

troubled [in need of answers]

by zev in

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friends

today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

Farkel

Yeru,

: maybe eventually pay a visit to the Elders individually and let them know if they counsel her to either leave you or shun you in any way they will be sued for alienation of affection.

YES! PERFECT! GOOD JOB! Elders are paranoid about lawsuits towards them personally and their religious masters in Brooklyn will disappear and hide if they are asked to help them. And those Elders know it. The Watchtower Corporation has no qualms about biting the hands that feed them. They will not get away with this forever, even though they are too arrogant to admit that just yet. Hide and watch. They will suffer and they will get the worldwide bad publicity they've deserved for all these decades.

Farkel, grinning from ear-to-ear

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Probably the Biggest Con in the World

by dutyfree in

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friends

i have a question:.

why is it that since the inception of this bizarre religion, there was no problem with blood transfusions during russell's reign, no problems during rutherford's term and then out of the blue... no blood!.

as my jw tenant said to me the other day, '...you cannot mis-interpret that line in the bible (referring to the passage which says, '...you should abstain from blood...').. if that is the case, why did it take over 60 years for the jws to realize that there was a problem after all, and thus issuing a total ban?.

Farkel

: Why is it that since the inception of this bizarre religion, there was no problem with blood transfusions during Russell's reign,

Um, 'cause they didn't do them back then?

: no problems during Rutherford's term

Um, 'cause they didn't do them back then, or they were rare and experimental and not a part of normal medicine?

: and then out of the blue...NO BLOOD!

Cults are like that.

: Of course, we all know that Rutherford (President #2) was the biggest Conman in recent times: a cigar-smoking, notorious alcoholic and adulterer who didn't give a damn about his 'flock' so long as he was safe but, that's besides the point!

Blood transfusions were forbidden starting in 1961, nearly twenty years after Rutherford died.

You can blame Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr, but Rutherford didn't make blood transfusions a disfellowshiping offense. They did.

Farkel

28

What about the scriptural obligation to preach?

by lookingnow22 in

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i've always been taught that each disciple of christ has a scriptural obligation to preach, and to do so in imitation of jesus and his disciples.

they did this by house to house, in synagogues, and in the marketplaces.

this is one thing that has always kept me close to jehovah's witnesses.

Farkel

With regards to Acts 20:20, the society finally had to recognize that it applied to the early Christians teaching EACH OTHER in one of their homes, or in an accommodating home. Yet, since then, they still use that verse occassionally to try to convince the troops it is their obligation to bang on doors of total strangers and offer WT literature.

Ray Franz had a well-reasoned discussion of this subject (including the Greek words in question) in his book "In Search of Christian Freedom," but I've loaned it out, so I can't refer to it right now.

I'm sure others here can do so, and enlighten you, though.

Farkel

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What about the scriptural obligation to preach?

by lookingnow22 in

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friends

i've always been taught that each disciple of christ has a scriptural obligation to preach, and to do so in imitation of jesus and his disciples.

they did this by house to house, in synagogues, and in the marketplaces.

this is one thing that has always kept me close to jehovah's witnesses.

Farkel

: I've always been taught that each disciple of Christ has a scriptural obligation to preach,

Yes, but unfortunately those who taught you this have offered no proof that is is an "obligation." They merely say it is. I challenge anyone to clearly show through the scriptures that "each disciple of Christ has a scriptural obligation to preach."

Also, if it is an "obligation" and one doesn't do it, then what are the consequences not not doing so? I mean, what do the SCRIPTURES say are the consequences for not performing that "obligation" of preaching?

Thirdly, in line with what AlanF has stated, if there IS an obligation then it is an obligation to preach WHAT? Whatever the Watchtower Corporation says to preach? I think not. What ever the Bible says to preach? OK, what does the Bible tell Christians to preach?

"God's Kingdom?" Define "God's Kingdom." Scripturally! Show us scripturally where "God's Kingdom" is a "Government" with a "Heavenly and and Earthly Organization." Any old scripture will do, just as long as it is crystal clear. Just any old scripture. I don't need dozens of them. Just one.

Do you see that in just one fuzzy statement, about Christians having an "obligation" to preach, the Watchtower Society has given themselves the right to define just about anything they want about that preaching, and at the same time, they've put fear in their members by declaring it to be an obligation with a fearsome "or else" attached for those who won't do it?

Take my questions to a CO, DO, or even a GB member and ask for clear, simple answers. From the Bible. You won't get any. You might get some gibberish, and a lot of stuttering and a lot of "don't question 'Jehovah's Organization(tm)' but you won't get clear, simple answers from the Bible. By the way, Watchtower Printing Corporation Publications(tm) are NOT the Bible. Don't forget that part!

You know why you won't get those kinds of answers? That's because they are NOT IN THE BIBLE. The Bible is full of crap, but most of its crap does not even justify Watchtower Crap(tm)! :)

Farkel

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Best Bumper Stickers I've seen.....

by LDH in

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friends

jesus, save me from your followers!.

i do work for food!

Farkel

Spied on the bumper of a delivery truck:

"Warning! Driver only carries ten rounds!"

Farkel

19

rutherford

by jurs in

jw
friends

ever since i started questioning wether the truth is really the truth.

i'm apalled at how much information is out there that just shatters the organization.

one intersesting site out of many is jesus-witnesses.com (the seven points of watchtower indoctrination) anyhow i never knew that rutherford smoked cigars and was a notorious alcoholic.

Farkel

: BTW, in our tiny, small-town library, I recently stumbled across, of all things, the new "Proclaimers" book. And tell you what, it's a real piece of work. Slick--real slick. A really fine piece of propaganda. The DP book was slanted, of course, but nothing compared to this.

Actually, the reverse is true. The DP book was a pack of lies and the Proclaimer's book is much more honest and admits much the society wished it didn't have to admit. However, the Proclaimer's book is not topically arranged, so those "nuggets" are buried away in paragraphs which are discussing an entirely different subject. A reader who wasn't sharp-eyed would miss them entirely, yet when confronted the WTS can say, "Hey! We admitted to that false prophecy we made about 1878 in page "xxx" in the Proclaimer's book." To which, you would say, "Oh, you mean the chapter on "Quick Builds? Or was it the one on How We Have Expanded in Africa?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:)
Farkel